[bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel

I didn't think of that.
Couldn't they take the adult content off altogether and just put the little labels on there the tags of what is in them and not rate them would that work?
Gwen

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The reason many consider it censorship is that, only those over 18 are able to download the books marked adult content. There are some books, or so I've heard, that are marked adult content, but are required reading for high school students. Most high school students aren't over 18, and therefore, couldn't download the books. When I was in high school, I read several books that could be marked as having adult content.

Melissa Smith


On 3/27/2010 4:10 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
But I'm not talking about Censorship, in fact it wouldn't be censorship at all. It would just be telling about the language content or other in the book. It wouldn't mean a person couldn't read it, nor would it mean anyone was trying to stop them from reading it. It would just mean if a person didn't want to stumble upon it, they wouldn't need to that is all.
To me there is no censorship to it.
Because it's not telling you can nor can't, nor is it barring any books.
It's simply a designation for those who feel more comfortable knowing fully what they are down loading. TV says PG-13 R G and on it goes, does that mean people don't watch the shows oh and I forgot X-rating in movies or shows, does that mean folks don't nor can't watch them. Certainly not, a body can do what a person wants and likes, it is simply a label designation. It doesn't mean a person can, nor a person can't! It means absolutely nothing, except a designation.
I guess I don't feel that is censorship.
If you were told what to do and not to do, if the head here said no no we can't have this or that book up, then you'd have real reason to call it censorship, because then they would be squelching your rights as you would see them.
But no one has done that, nor will they.
It is the same access to the same books no lock and key, just simply letters for those who wish to know what is in it.
Nothing more, nothing less no censorship involved.
Gwen

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Bingo! And I am one of those who does not check it for anything., As far as I am concerned it is completely unjustified to prohibit anyone from reading anything he or she wants because of status. Can you imagine it if some self appointed member of the morality police decided that people who are blind should not be allowed to read certain things because it happens to offend that morality policeman's sensibilities without regard to how the blind person might feel about it?


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The reason that the designation doesn't make a lot of sense, is that the proofer can uncheck or check the adult content designation. Many feel that the adult content is a form of censorship, and don't check it for anything.

Melissa Smith


On 3/27/2010 1:32 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
It is easy for anyone to download books that are full of sex scenes, and
not even "nice" sex. I've been disappointed by some books of Robert
Heinlein. Any child can download these. I'll probably change my setting
to include "adult" books, since the designation seems not to make much
sense.

John

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:25:23AM -0500, Valerie Maples wrote:

Someone told us that there is an actual standard because of the grant that rates books based on word frequencies and situations that cause them to generate the adult material designation. I do believe the F. word is one of the ones that is considered serious and is an automatic designation. A series of moderate occurrences can also generate the adult designation. It makes sense that there would be a criterion with so many books being available to young readers so that it would remove accidental inappropriate downloads.

Having said that, apparently there were a couple of books that could find no reason for those designations, those they allowed a proofreader to remove it if there was absolutely no risk to young readers. I'm not trying to start a controversy here, just state what I was told how the adult designation came to be utilized. As a parent, even though Nichole is not completely independent in downloading, I am grateful that there is some boundary. It is easy enough for a child to get an exemption with parental approval.

Valerie


On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:


Some books get marked as adult because the proofreader finds the material to be very sensitive. I only mark books adult if they are sexually graphic but often Bookshare takes and marks my books adult for me. I find the Penny Warner books about the small town newspaper reporter who is deaf always get marked adult because she is fond of the f word. Her sex scenes are always very very very bland so it isn't the few and far between sex scenes, it has to be her colorful language.

I've scanned many other books which Bookshare automatically marked adult and as the scanner I cannot unmark it. Only the proofreader can do it.

I'm told that many Elie Weisel books are now required reading in high schools these days so probably Bookshare should be made aware of the situation so they can assess it.

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