[bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel

  • From: Melissa Smith <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:07:28 -0500

I don't see why not. It has been suggested here more than once. Currently all is still the same, but you never know what they might be working on.


Melissa Smith


On 3/27/2010 6:50 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
 I didn't think of that. Couldn't they take the adult content off
 altogether and just put the little labels on there the tags of what
 is in them and not rate them would that work? Gwen

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith"
 <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent:
 Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For
 wish list: more books by Elie Weisel


> The reason many consider it censorship is that, only those over 18
> are able to download the books marked adult content. There are some
> books, or so I've heard, that are marked adult content, but are
> required reading for high school students. Most high school
> students aren't over 18, and therefore, couldn't download the
> books. When I was in high school, I read several books that could
> be marked as having adult content.
>
> Melissa Smith
>
>
> On 3/27/2010 4:10 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
>> But I'm  not talking about Censorship, in fact it  wouldn't be
>> censorship at all. It would just be telling about the language
>> content or other in the book. It wouldn't mean a person couldn't
>> read it, nor would it mean anyone was trying to stop them from
>> reading it. It would just mean if a person didn't want to stumble
>> upon it, they wouldn't need to that is all. To me there is no
>> censorship to it. Because it's not telling you can nor can't, nor
>> is it barring any books. It's simply a designation for those who
>> feel more comfortable knowing fully what they are down loading.
>> TV says PG-13 R G and on it goes, does that mean people don't
>> watch the shows oh and I forgot X-rating in movies or shows, does
>> that mean folks don't nor can't watch them. Certainly not, a body
>> can do what a person wants and likes, it is simply a label
>> designation. It doesn't mean a person can, nor a person can't! It
>> means absolutely nothing, except a designation. I guess I don't
>> feel that is censorship. If you were told what to do and not to
>> do, if the head here said no no we can't have this or that book
>> up, then you'd have real reason to call it censorship, because
>> then they would be squelching your rights as you would see them.
>> But no one has done that, nor will they. It is the same access to
>> the same books no lock and key, just simply letters for those who
>> wish to know what is  in it. Nothing more, nothing less no
>> censorship involved. Gwen
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey"
>> <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent:
>> Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:29 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
>> For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
>>
>>
>>> Bingo! And I am one of those who does not check it for
>>> anything., As far as I am concerned it is completely
>>> unjustified to prohibit anyone from reading anything he or she
>>> wants because of status. Can you imagine it if some self
>>> appointed member of the morality police decided that people who
>>> are blind should not be allowed to read certain things because
>>> it happens to offend that morality policeman's sensibilities
>>> without regard to how the blind person might feel about it?
>>>
>>>
>>> _     _      _
>>>
>>> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the
>>> world" Virginia Woolf
>>>
>>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press:
>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International:
>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message
>>> ----- From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx> To:
>>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010
>>> 8:02 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books
>>> by Elie Weisel
>>>
>>>
>>>> The reason that the designation doesn't make a lot of sense,
>>>> is that the proofer can uncheck or check the adult content
>>>> designation. Many feel that the adult content is a form of
>>>> censorship, and don't check it for anything.
>>>>
>>>> Melissa Smith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2010 1:32 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>>> It is easy for anyone to download books that are full of
>>>>> sex scenes, and not even "nice" sex. I've been disappointed
>>>>> by some books of Robert Heinlein. Any child can download
>>>>> these. I'll probably change my setting to include "adult"
>>>>> books, since the designation seems not to make much sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:25:23AM -0500, Valerie Maples
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone told us that there is an actual standard because
>>>>>> of the grant that rates books based on word frequencies
>>>>>> and situations that cause them to generate the adult
>>>>>> material designation. I do believe the F. word is one of
>>>>>> the ones that is considered serious and is an automatic
>>>>>> designation. A series of moderate occurrences can also
>>>>>> generate the adult designation. It makes sense that there
>>>>>> would be a criterion with so many books being available
>>>>>> to young readers so that it would remove accidental
>>>>>> inappropriate downloads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that, apparently there were a couple of books
>>>>>> that could find no reason for those designations, those
>>>>>> they allowed a proofreader to remove it if there was
>>>>>> absolutely no risk to young readers. I'm not trying to
>>>>>> start a controversy here, just state what I was told how
>>>>>> the adult designation came to be utilized. As a parent,
>>>>>> even though Nichole is not completely independent in
>>>>>> downloading, I am grateful that there is some boundary.
>>>>>> It is easy enough for a child to get an exemption with
>>>>>> parental approval.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some books get marked as adult because the proofreader
>>>>>>> finds the material to be very sensitive. I only mark
>>>>>>> books adult if they are sexually graphic but often
>>>>>>> Bookshare takes and marks my books adult for me. I find
>>>>>>> the Penny Warner books about the small town newspaper
>>>>>>> reporter who is deaf always get marked adult because
>>>>>>> she is fond of the f word. Her sex scenes are always
>>>>>>> very very very bland so it isn't the few and far
>>>>>>> between sex scenes, it has to be her colorful
>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've scanned many other books which Bookshare
>>>>>>> automatically marked adult and as the scanner I cannot
>>>>>>> unmark it. Only the proofreader can do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm told that many Elie Weisel books are now required
>>>>>>> reading in high schools these days so probably
>>>>>>> Bookshare should be made aware of the situation so they
>>>>>>> can assess it.
>>>>>>>
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