Frankly, I don't care about rules. My concern is with loss of understanding. If the language is changing, that is fine by me, but if it is deteriorating, that is not fine at all. To me Americanisms are absolutely OK if we all understand them, which we do with the examples given by Rebecca. But alternate and alternative do not mean the same thing, and a poorly punctuated sentence of any dialect can be obscure in meaning. If we are losing any sense of punctuation, when we speak and/or write, then just about every sentence will be open to interpretation. Complex thought will be impossible to follow if we are struggling to work out something basic like what is the subject and what is the object. Also if we are losing time sequencing in what we write (ie cut the red wire after you cut the black wire), then planes (aircraft, airplanes, aeroplanes) will start dropping out of the sky once the old guard is no longer writing the manuals and performing the maintenance. Can't you just see a new generation of aircraft engineers shrugging their shoulders, chewing gum and saying "whatever" when told the sequence in which they must do something. I recently tried to do a quick adaptation of some Microsoft help materials for a course I was conducting, only to find that I had to do a total re-write because they failed to provide context for why you were performing the actions, sentences were often back to front (ie do A, B and C if you want to do XYZ), and some steps were missing. If Microsoft can't find and pay for good technical writers, who can? My fear is that the world no longer knows what a good technical writer is. Changing word meanings is also a problem. I recently had a conversation with a "tea party" style American, who tried to educate me on the meaning of the words republican and democrat. She sent me some material suitable for a 3 year old, and when I suggested that the meanings of the words in general usage was different to the apparent meaning attributed to the American political parties, she told me that Americans were numerically dominant amongst English speakers and so their definitions of those words are the correct ones. When I told her that having two different definitions of each of the words would result in poor communication, she again told me that the rest of us had to learn their definitions and that was just that. So, in the spirit of a truly pathological communicator, I pointed out that even with her definitions the words were not opposites or mutually exclusive and that a Republican could be a democrat and a Democrat could be a republican. She unfriended me (yes the conversation was on Facebook). Christine From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rebecca Caldwell Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:42 AM To: tech writers group Subject: atw: Re: Dinosaurs and punctuation I was recently told that I use 'Americanisms' when I talk, however I learned to talk from my Scottish parents and they from their Scottish parents. In my household it has always been "bathroom" and never "toilet" or "lavatory". And I frequently say the whole word "refrigerator" and not "fridge" which is, apparently also an Americanism. I guess (there it is again!) that I must have learned certain synonyms while learning to read/write for the television, and my brain has written over whatever had been there previously. Thoughts? _____ Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:54:51 +1200 From: dave.reynolds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Dinosaurs and punctuation I still use that technique. When I'm writing some new stuff in a manual, I often imagine I'm explaining the product to another person. Effectively, I'm reading the text 'aloud' in my head. That way I work out where the natural pauses are. I think I am turning into a dinosaur. I hear American pronunciation and emphasis creeping into our local TV and radio, and it irks me! Cheers Dave Christine Kent wrote, on 6/04/2011 7:58 p.m.: I have just made another observation regarding the problem of whether "our grammar" is defunct. I was listening to a very young newsreader and finding her uncomfortable to listen to and difficult to understand, so I paid attention. Something was "wrong" with the "rhythm" of what she was saying. It is something I have wondered about with younger people - why I can find some of them really difficult to follow, but I have never really paid attention before now. I had a teacher in year 12 who, instead of teaching us grammar, told us to put commas where we wanted the reader to take a short breath and a full stop where we wanted them to take a longer breath. In effect our punctuation told the reader when to breathe. It's an excellent system, even if it is technically incorrect at times. This newsreader was putting all her pauses in the wrong place. She would run-on at the end of sentences with no pause at all, and put short or long pauses in the middle of clauses. I struggled to follow what she was saying. Did she follow it herself? Was she reading for meaning or just reading words? Is there some internal logic comprehended by other young people? Or does no-one care anymore whether we/they understand what is said or not? Someone must be researching this. Christine ======================================================================= This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. 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