This message was posted by laysondesigns on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/61.html#000003 Thank you Steve, I will take that into consideration. I take it that you have used both and the CCF is easier to work with. I think I may go in that direction. Signman, what do you mean by "black hat hoop"? I did end up using painters tape on the bill, removes easier. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================