[access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster

  • From: "Vanja Sudar" <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:51:05 +0100

I think you got it right there ray. The attraction of AOL is simplisitty, all in one client which is a webrouzer, a mail client, an instant messanger, a search engine ETC...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster


Jiilian, funny you should mention AOL, which I've never used. I keep hearing that it's very hard to get it off your computer once you've installed it. Wonder why that should be?

I've never been sure what the attraction of AOL is, but seemingly some people like the integrated interface, so maybe that answers the question! Anyway, if you want to read a an anti-AOL rant, take a look at:


Why you shouldn't be using AOL
http://www.computertim.com/howto/article.php?topic=general&idn=25ay

Bit of a plug for MSN for those who want to switch, so that's maybe where he is coming from.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jillian Grant" <jillian.grant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster


I'm quite confident about using Jaws. Not sure whether I can call myself
advanced or not. What i'm not so confident about doing is knowing whether
software that I download may in fact upset my computer. See I heard a lot
of stories about AOL software. People were saying that it didn't work with
Jaws, but when they took it off their computers, they didn't work properly
afterwards. I certainly don't know how to repair any damage that might be
caused by something like this, and I don't have any contacts for people who
can fix machines either. This one is second hand, which is why it's so out
of date and junk really. I couldn't and still can't afford to buy a new
one, and getting this one fixed is pricey. so I worry every single time
something goes wrong. This may change in the future, but till now I have to
take care of what I've got. Having said all that, i will try things out
when I can, though I don't keep up to date really with what's out there
technology wise. Firstly 'cos I know I won't be able to afford much of it,
and I've never been pointed in the direction for doing so. At least here
though I can ask what is accessible and what isn't, and find the wealth of
knowledge and experience on the technology front mind blowing and staggering
indeed.


----- Original Message -----
From: Vanja Sudar <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster


I personally always try out new software and definitely don't wait for
scripts to come out, but I'd also consider my self quite advanced jaws
user
and I feel pretty confident using mouse cursors and other feature that
makes
software usage easier without any scripts. I also am a person who likes
to
try out new things when it comes to software and get quite excited when I
hear about new things that I might be interested in. As the original
subject of this thread was about podcasting, when I read about it, Ipodder
was the first client I came across and I didn't wait or didn't ask around
from others to see how and if it works, I downloaded it, my point is that
if
it didn't work with jaws then I could have easily uninstall it and look
for
something else, but I personally was quite pleased with Ipodder and I'm
used
to it and I like it. I'm only using this as an example. I understand how
some users might be afraid to use new software because maybe they are not
sure how to use things like jaws cursor, but in general I'd encourage
people
to try out new things, usually you have not much to lose, if you're not
sure
how to use it once you downloaded it, there are plenty of places where you
can ask for help including this list. If you still have problems, you can
usually just uninstall software, so apart from bit of time, you haven't
really got much to use.
Vanja
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster


And may I second Brian's point. It does seem though that some people
simply 
will not RTM!  And maybe that's where Brian, and others, in their
professional role come in.

It seems to me that rather than waiting for scripts set files, or maps,
people should equip themselves to deal with new programs or minority
applications.  Yes, it can be time consuming but really less so when one
does get down to it.

I am not saying, of course, that programmers don't have a responsibility
to 
make apps easier to access or to use;  also website developers, for that
matter.

I'd also say that if you are buying an exspensive screen reader, you
might 
as well invest the time learning all its facilities.
Ray

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster


> Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many people don't know how
> effective a screen-reader's screen review mode can be, such as the jaws
> cursor or window-eyes mouse pointer. Even when you cannot get much out
of
> the application by tabbing around or whatever, these tools can be > really
> effective.
> Brian Hartgen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:38 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible
Podcaster
>
>
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> I have to agree with you. I think quite often people are very quick >> to
>> declare software inaccessible when it isn't, or to blame the screen
>> reader
>> for not being able to work with software that really is inaccessible.
> Some
>> people like computer training and that's up to them, but from personal
>> experience I think there are a lot of people who would get far further
if
>> they would only sit and read and listen to the screen reader
>> documentation
>> properly. Some people just seem to decide that they can't learn to do
>> things themselves and once they've done that it's very hard to get >> over
> that
>> mental block.
>>
>> James
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:43 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>>
>>
>> > Hi Kevin,
>> >
>> > For my own part, I prefer Ipodder, as there are many options you can
>> > configure, like scheduled downloads, setting the directory and so >> > on.
>> > I
>> > apreciate the need for simplicity, but my real point is that
accessible 
>> > doesn't have to be simple.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> > --
>> > Computer Room Services:  the long cane for blind computer users.
>> > Telephone Voice:  +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS:  +44(0)1438 759589
>> > mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
>> > Email:  Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf
> Of
>> > Kevin Cussick
>> > Sent: 08 May 2005 14:37
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi stave,
>> >
>> > Ok fare enough maybe I was a little quick off the mark I to >> > installed
>> > Ipodder v2.0 and I got it working but I prefer the other one from
>> > Manchester I have also tried webbie and it is quite good as well but
>> > needs some more development I think ok enough on this subject all >> > the
>> > best.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> > Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>> > Sent: 08 May 2005 13:25
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Kevin,
>> >
>> > I am not slating anyone, I just wish people wouldn't call their
>> > programs
>> > "accessible" anything. It just makes some of the other programs >> > look
>> > bad,
>> > and they are not.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> > --
>> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
>> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
>> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
>> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > Kevin Cussick
>> > Sent: 07 May 2005 21:35
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Douglas,
>> >
>> > I agree with You I think the lad from Manchester has tried his best
to
>> > make some thing simple and accessible for us to use I don't think he
>> > should be slated for his efforts just my thoughts.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> > Behalf Of Douglas Harrison
>> > Sent: 07 May 2005 16:49
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> > If by Accessible Ipodder you mean the free Accessible Podcaster
>> > produced at the
>> > University of Manchester, it is in an early stage of development and
>> > has been made
>> > available for those interested to try out. (If you are talking >> > about
>> > something else, I do
>> > apologise - please ignore what follows!)
>> >
>> > The object has been to keep it simple but still capable of doing the
>> > basic things. I
>> > suggested to the developer that an independent volume control would
be 
>> > helpful if a
>> > screen reader user wanted to listen to the start of an item before
>> > saving it, and it was
>> > implemented within about 24 hours.  I intend next week to ask if the
>> > Save dialogue can
>> > be made more accessible in the next version, and I am sure any other
>> > suggestions
>> > would be welcomed.
>> > Ipodder 2.0 is a much more powerful program, but those of us new to
>> > the world of
>> > Podcasts may prefer to start with something simpler.
>> >
>> > Douglas
>> >    .
>> >
>> > On 7 May 2005 at 15:16, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Iain,
>> >>
>> >> With Ipodder, you can do all of this.  So obviously it is more
>> > accessible,
>> >> than the so-called accessible Ipodder.  Ironic eh?
>> >>
>> >> All the best
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Douglas Harrison
>> >
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