[access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
- From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:43:08 +0100
Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many people don't know how
effective a screen-reader's screen review mode can be, such as the jaws
cursor or window-eyes mouse pointer. Even when you cannot get much out of
the application by tabbing around or whatever, these tools can be really
effective.
Brian Hartgen
----- Original Message -----
From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
> Hi Steve
>
> I have to agree with you. I think quite often people are very quick to
> declare software inaccessible when it isn't, or to blame the screen reader
> for not being able to work with software that really is inaccessible.
Some
> people like computer training and that's up to them, but from personal
> experience I think there are a lot of people who would get far further if
> they would only sit and read and listen to the screen reader documentation
> properly. Some people just seem to decide that they can't learn to do
> things themselves and once they've done that it's very hard to get over
that
> mental block.
>
> James
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:43 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>
>
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > For my own part, I prefer Ipodder, as there are many options you can
> > configure, like scheduled downloads, setting the directory and so on. I
> > apreciate the need for simplicity, but my real point is that accessible
> > doesn't have to be simple.
> >
> > All the best
> > --
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of
> > Kevin Cussick
> > Sent: 08 May 2005 14:37
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >
> >
> > Hi stave,
> >
> > Ok fare enough maybe I was a little quick off the mark I to installed
> > Ipodder v2.0 and I got it working but I prefer the other one from
> > Manchester I have also tried webbie and it is quite good as well but
> > needs some more development I think ok enough on this subject all the
> > best.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> > Sent: 08 May 2005 13:25
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I am not slating anyone, I just wish people wouldn't call their
> > programs
> > "accessible" anything. It just makes some of the other programs look
> > bad,
> > and they are not.
> >
> > All the best
> > --
> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of
> > Kevin Cussick
> > Sent: 07 May 2005 21:35
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >
> >
> > Hi Douglas,
> >
> > I agree with You I think the lad from Manchester has tried his best to
> > make some thing simple and accessible for us to use I don't think he
> > should be slated for his efforts just my thoughts.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Douglas Harrison
> > Sent: 07 May 2005 16:49
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > If by Accessible Ipodder you mean the free Accessible Podcaster
> > produced at the
> > University of Manchester, it is in an early stage of development and
> > has been made
> > available for those interested to try out. (If you are talking about
> > something else, I do
> > apologise - please ignore what follows!)
> >
> > The object has been to keep it simple but still capable of doing the
> > basic things. I
> > suggested to the developer that an independent volume control would be
> > helpful if a
> > screen reader user wanted to listen to the start of an item before
> > saving it, and it was
> > implemented within about 24 hours. I intend next week to ask if the
> > Save dialogue can
> > be made more accessible in the next version, and I am sure any other
> > suggestions
> > would be welcomed.
> > Ipodder 2.0 is a much more powerful program, but those of us new to
> > the world of
> > Podcasts may prefer to start with something simpler.
> >
> > Douglas
> > .
> >
> > On 7 May 2005 at 15:16, Steve Nutt wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Iain,
> >>
> >> With Ipodder, you can do all of this. So obviously it is more
> > accessible,
> >> than the so-called accessible Ipodder. Ironic eh?
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Douglas Harrison
> >
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