[access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:37:39 +0100
Jiilian, funny you should mention AOL, which I've never used. I keep hearing
that it's very hard to get it off your computer once you've installed it.
Wonder why that should be?
I've never been sure what the attraction of AOL is, but seemingly some people
like the integrated interface, so maybe that answers the question! Anyway, if
you want to read a an anti-AOL rant, take a look at:
Why you shouldn't be using AOL
http://www.computertim.com/howto/article.php?topic=general&idn=25ay
Bit of a plug for MSN for those who want to switch, so that's maybe where he is
coming from.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jillian Grant" <jillian.grant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
> I'm quite confident about using Jaws. Not sure whether I can call myself
> advanced or not. What i'm not so confident about doing is knowing whether
> software that I download may in fact upset my computer. See I heard a lot
> of stories about AOL software. People were saying that it didn't work with
> Jaws, but when they took it off their computers, they didn't work properly
> afterwards. I certainly don't know how to repair any damage that might be
> caused by something like this, and I don't have any contacts for people who
> can fix machines either. This one is second hand, which is why it's so out
> of date and junk really. I couldn't and still can't afford to buy a new
> one, and getting this one fixed is pricey. so I worry every single time
> something goes wrong. This may change in the future, but till now I have to
> take care of what I've got. Having said all that, i will try things out
> when I can, though I don't keep up to date really with what's out there
> technology wise. Firstly 'cos I know I won't be able to afford much of it,
> and I've never been pointed in the direction for doing so. At least here
> though I can ask what is accessible and what isn't, and find the wealth of
> knowledge and experience on the technology front mind blowing and staggering
> indeed.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vanja Sudar <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:58 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>
>
>> I personally always try out new software and definitely don't wait for
>> scripts to come out, but I'd also consider my self quite advanced jaws
> user
>> and I feel pretty confident using mouse cursors and other feature that
> makes
>> software usage easier without any scripts. I also am a person who likes
> to
>> try out new things when it comes to software and get quite excited when I
>> hear about new things that I might be interested in. As the original
>> subject of this thread was about podcasting, when I read about it, Ipodder
>> was the first client I came across and I didn't wait or didn't ask around
>> from others to see how and if it works, I downloaded it, my point is that
> if
>> it didn't work with jaws then I could have easily uninstall it and look
> for
>> something else, but I personally was quite pleased with Ipodder and I'm
> used
>> to it and I like it. I'm only using this as an example. I understand how
>> some users might be afraid to use new software because maybe they are not
>> sure how to use things like jaws cursor, but in general I'd encourage
> people
>> to try out new things, usually you have not much to lose, if you're not
> sure
>> how to use it once you downloaded it, there are plenty of places where you
>> can ask for help including this list. If you still have problems, you can
>> usually just uninstall software, so apart from bit of time, you haven't
>> really got much to use.
>> Vanja
>> MSN messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> AIM: vanja121
>> Skype: vanja121
>> http://www.sudar.co.uk
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:31 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>>
>>
>> And may I second Brian's point. It does seem though that some people
> simply
>> will not RTM! And maybe that's where Brian, and others, in their
>> professional role come in.
>>
>> It seems to me that rather than waiting for scripts set files, or maps,
>> people should equip themselves to deal with new programs or minority
>> applications. Yes, it can be time consuming but really less so when one
>> does get down to it.
>>
>> I am not saying, of course, that programmers don't have a responsibility
> to
>> make apps easier to access or to use; also website developers, for that
>> matter.
>>
>> I'd also say that if you are buying an exspensive screen reader, you
> might
>> as well invest the time learning all its facilities.
>> Ray
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:43 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible Podcaster
>>
>>
>> > Couldn't agree more. It's surprising how many people don't know how
>> > effective a screen-reader's screen review mode can be, such as the jaws
>> > cursor or window-eyes mouse pointer. Even when you cannot get much out
> of
>> > the application by tabbing around or whatever, these tools can be really
>> > effective.
>> > Brian Hartgen
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:38 PM
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: what is accessible? was Re: Accessible
> Podcaster
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi Steve
>> >>
>> >> I have to agree with you. I think quite often people are very quick to
>> >> declare software inaccessible when it isn't, or to blame the screen
>> >> reader
>> >> for not being able to work with software that really is inaccessible.
>> > Some
>> >> people like computer training and that's up to them, but from personal
>> >> experience I think there are a lot of people who would get far further
> if
>> >> they would only sit and read and listen to the screen reader
>> >> documentation
>> >> properly. Some people just seem to decide that they can't learn to do
>> >> things themselves and once they've done that it's very hard to get over
>> > that
>> >> mental block.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:43 PM
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Kevin,
>> >> >
>> >> > For my own part, I prefer Ipodder, as there are many options you can
>> >> > configure, like scheduled downloads, setting the directory and so on.
>> >> > I
>> >> > apreciate the need for simplicity, but my real point is that
> accessible
>> >> > doesn't have to be simple.
>> >> >
>> >> > All the best
>> >> > --
>> >> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
>> >> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
>> >> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
>> >> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf
>> > Of
>> >> > Kevin Cussick
>> >> > Sent: 08 May 2005 14:37
>> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi stave,
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok fare enough maybe I was a little quick off the mark I to installed
>> >> > Ipodder v2.0 and I got it working but I prefer the other one from
>> >> > Manchester I have also tried webbie and it is quite good as well but
>> >> > needs some more development I think ok enough on this subject all the
>> >> > best.
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> >> > Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>> >> > Sent: 08 May 2005 13:25
>> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Kevin,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am not slating anyone, I just wish people wouldn't call their
>> >> > programs
>> >> > "accessible" anything. It just makes some of the other programs look
>> >> > bad,
>> >> > and they are not.
>> >> >
>> >> > All the best
>> >> > --
>> >> > Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users.
>> >> > Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589
>> >> > mobile: +44(0)7956 334938,
>> >> > Email: Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> >> > Behalf Of
>> >> > Kevin Cussick
>> >> > Sent: 07 May 2005 21:35
>> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Douglas,
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree with You I think the lad from Manchester has tried his best
> to
>> >> > make some thing simple and accessible for us to use I don't think he
>> >> > should be slated for his efforts just my thoughts.
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> >> > Behalf Of Douglas Harrison
>> >> > Sent: 07 May 2005 16:49
>> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Podcaster
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Steve,
>> >> > If by Accessible Ipodder you mean the free Accessible Podcaster
>> >> > produced at the
>> >> > University of Manchester, it is in an early stage of development and
>> >> > has been made
>> >> > available for those interested to try out. (If you are talking about
>> >> > something else, I do
>> >> > apologise - please ignore what follows!)
>> >> >
>> >> > The object has been to keep it simple but still capable of doing the
>> >> > basic things. I
>> >> > suggested to the developer that an independent volume control would
> be
>> >> > helpful if a
>> >> > screen reader user wanted to listen to the start of an item before
>> >> > saving it, and it was
>> >> > implemented within about 24 hours. I intend next week to ask if the
>> >> > Save dialogue can
>> >> > be made more accessible in the next version, and I am sure any other
>> >> > suggestions
>> >> > would be welcomed.
>> >> > Ipodder 2.0 is a much more powerful program, but those of us new to
>> >> > the world of
>> >> > Podcasts may prefer to start with something simpler.
>> >> >
>> >> > Douglas
>> >> > .
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7 May 2005 at 15:16, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Iain,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With Ipodder, you can do all of this. So obviously it is more
>> >> > accessible,
>> >> >> than the so-called accessible Ipodder. Ironic eh?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All the best
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > Douglas Harrison
>> >> >
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