[access-uk] Re: Sight Village

Hi Richard,

There are several, but one will be with us in SiRecognizer very soon.  The
hardest job is to get the databases.

All the best

Steve

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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Sent: Tuesday 22 July 2008 10:23
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village

While I'm sure that both products have their uses, I feel tempted to ask
whether all the fuss is worth it.  Until a better solution is found, it's
the Braille label on tins for me!   

BTW, is there currently a bar code solution that works easily?  That always
seemed an attractive road.
 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jackie Cairns
Sent: 22 July 2008 08:53
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village

Hi Alasdair 

If I'm really keen to know the contents of a tin with the Reader, I lie it
on its side and gently roll it round.  It takes a bit of fiddling about, but
I can generally work out which way up the tin is in the first place.  As
I've always said about the K-Reader, there is a knack to using it for
trickier more complex tasks.

Jackie Cairns
 
Braille Support Adviser
 
Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
 
Welton House North Wing
 
Summerhouse Road
 
Moulton Park
 
Northampton
 
NN3 6WD
 
Telephone: 0845 6347979
 
or
 
Telephone: 01604 798070
 
Fax: 01604 798090   
 
Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Alasdair King
Sent: 22 July 2008 08:49
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village

"can someone who is sighted read the label on a can by looking at it without
turning the can round?"

Yes: the text is usually formatted into narrow columns, so one can align the
tin with the column towards oneself and read it without rotating. So if you
get lucky with your device you'll get all the text, and if not you should be
able to rotate to a position where you can get all the text in one scan.

The widest column on a tin of Heinz baked beans is about one sixth of the
circumference.

Alasdair

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Jackie Cairns
<jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ah! Steve me boy! I work now, like you, so I can't just come over to you
at an exhibition and hang around while you demo stuff to a throng of waiting
hopefuls. (smile). I'd love to see SiRecogniser in action, and bring the
K-Reader to compare it, purely out of interest I have to say, not to be smug
about it.  I'm sure they both have different needs for different situations.
And it's good to know that there is competition out there to hopefully make
both products even better.
>
> That's about as diplomatic as it gets for me. (smile).
>
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> Braille Support Adviser
>
> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>
> Welton House North Wing
>
> Summerhouse Road
>
> Moulton Park
>
> Northampton
>
> NN3 6WD
>
> Telephone: 0845 6347979
>
> or
>
> Telephone: 01604 798070
>
> Fax: 01604 798090
>
> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 21 July 2008 21:44
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> Just one comment, I too can take the mini PC to the kitchen.  You haven't
seen it yet, even now, though I have given you the offer of demos <Smile>.
> I still reckon the battle of the readers would be fun.
>
> All the best
>
> STeve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Monday 21 July 2008 08:45
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Steve
>
> I've used it for lots of different things.  I've got names off medication
packets to differentiate them, and whether I'm opening beans or spaghetti! I
agree some of it is tricky to do, but it isn't impossible if you are on your
own and need the information.  And Steve me boy, it also means I can take
the phone into my kitchen and raid the cupboards, not have to cart the
produce to the scanner!!!! (smile).
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> Braille Support Adviser
>
> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>
> Welton House North Wing
>
> Summerhouse Road
>
> Moulton Park
>
> Northampton
>
> NN3 6WD
>
> Telephone: 0845 6347979
>
> or
>
> Telephone: 01604 798070
>
> Fax: 01604 798090
>
> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 20 July 2008 23:29
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Jackie,
>
> But will K Reader read round corners, like cylinders, bottles, etc?  I am
genuinely interested, since all I have read about it says that it is
designed to read text from paper rather than objects.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Sunday 20 July 2008 21:27
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
> Hi Steve
>
> What you do with K-Reader is scan the page again.  I go by the degrees 
> relative to the page when I scan.  The lower the number, usually the 
> better I've done in taking a picture.  You can use the View Report 
> Field, but personally I just shoot and shoot again if necessary.  I 
> think it's absolutely fab to be able to have something so portable in 
> my pocket.  TALKS
>
> on the phone, reading software, GPS, MP3 player with full track access?
> Blimey it's awesome!! Never having seen the SiRecogniser, I wouldn't doubt
you for a single minute, but it has a lot of clobber to it that is
cumbersome at the moment.  As you say, "at the moment".
>
> Jackie
>
> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:58 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>
>
>> Hi Orhan,
>>
>> Basically, to be fair, the main difference is that you have far more 
>> control of the camera with SiRecognizer.  For example, if you are 
>> scanning a tin and you don't get good results, you can invert the 
>> video, you can tell Recognizer that you are scanning something 
>> cylindrical, and there are all kinds of pre-filters you can try to 
>> get better results.  K-Reader is a kind of snap it and see solution.
>> It works well, but if you don't get a good scan, you don't have much 
>> control to improve on it.
>>
>> I am sure Jackie will correct me about that if I am wrong, but there 
>> are nine pre-filter steps you can go through with Recognizer to 
>> improve the results, and it has three built-in scanning engines, 
>> which is why it is not on a phone yet.  Too much grunt on the 
>> processor would be required.
>> Recognizer is undoubtedly the best reading solution for objects out 
>> there, but it is certainly not as portable.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>> Behalf Of orhan deniz
>> Sent: Saturday 19 July 2008 10:15
>> To: Steve Nutt
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sight Village
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>> What is the difference of this thing compared to the KNFB reader?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Orhan.
>> --
>> Orhan Deniz.
>> E-mail:
>> orhan.deniz63@xxxxxxxxx
>> MSN/Windows Live ID:
>> orhan1793@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype:
>> orhan.deniz63
>> Blog:
>> http://worldandother.wordpress.com
>> Twitter:
>> http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008
>> Last.fm! Profile:
>> http://last.fm/user/orhandeniz1993
>> On Friday, 18 July 2008 8:16:24 PM, Steve Nutt Wrote:
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Course, you didn?t see the most interesting product, SiRecognizer 
>>> <Smile>.
>>> It?s like K Reader, but it works <Smile>.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> All the best
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>>
>>
>>>   _____
>>
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf
>> Of
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 18 July 2008 07:44
>>> To: Access UK Mailing List
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Sight Village
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hi All
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Can I just thank all those who came to say hello at Sight Village 
>>> this
>> week.
>>> It was lovely to put voices to some very familiar names on the list.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I didn't get much of a chance to wander around because of strutting 
>>> my
>> stuff
>>> on the Sight and Sound stand, but I did have enough time to pop over 
>>> to
>> the
>>> Cobolt stand, and look at their new ITell gadget.  For anyone who 
>>> doesn't know about this, it is a small device that plugs into the 
>>> bottom of an
>> Ipod
>>> that enables us mortals with little or no sight to use the Ipod with
>> speech.
>>> I thought this was a really interesting gadget.  It doesn't work on 
>>> either the Shuffle or Itouch, but all the other models seem to 
>>> support it.  The only thing that concerns me, however, is how one 
>>> would transfer material from their PC to the Ipod if Itunes software 
>>> isn't accessible.  Perhaps
>> some
>>> who do this already would like to elaborate as it might potentially 
>>> be a stumbling block.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> The ITell retails at £59.95 I believe, but I thought it was the most 
>>> interesting gadget other than the K-Reader phone, of course! (smile).
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Anyone else see anything interesting and "different" this year?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Jackie
>>
>>
>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>
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