Yes Les. I use Emacs/Emacspeak on Linux and SciTE on Windows.
Both announce indentation very well.
Unfortunately SciTE on Linux is not accessible since the developer of
SCintilla refuses to expend any effort making Scintilla accessible on GTK.
Which is sad because there are loads of great IDEs on Linux which use
Scintilla.
On 20/01/2016 20:47, Les Smithson wrote:
FWIW I program Python for my day job and have done so for years. A
proper editor that understands language syntax makes Python no more
difficult to edit than any other language. My particular editor (emacs
+ emacspeak) announces "indent 4", "indent 8" before each line, as do
other accessable editors. This is also useful when reading other text
where indentation is used for clarity, such as xml or json.
Mike Ray writes:
>
> A lot depends on the context Steve, and on the language.
>
> If the language is something which is very rich in characters other than
> letters and numbers, like C, then you'll find yourself reading parts of
> lines and even substrings individually. Truth is when you've been a
> programmer for a while, and when you've been working on one piece of
> code for a while, you begin to get a feel for the code and you don't hve
> to drill-down to sub-strings so much.
>
> Python can be a nightmare because it uses whitespace for structure, and
> not braces like C, C++ and Perl, and others.
>
> But even that's OK if you prefix indented lines with tabs instead of
> spaces and use a screen-reader set up to read out the word 'tab' when it
> encounters a tab.
>
> Mike
>
> On 19/01/2016 19:05, Steve Nutt wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > At 52, you're only a young thing. I am 55.
> >
> > Interesting though that blind programmers could live with numbers being
read
> > as words, when you need to know every digit when reading a program I
would
> > have thought, but I'm no real programmer.
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Computer Room Services
> > 77 Exeter Close
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> > Hertfordshire
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> > Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf ;
Of
> > Mike Ray
> > Sent: 19 January 2016 17:21
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: NVDA
> >
> > Hello Steve,
> >
> > Thinking about it from a programmer's perspective (25+ years), such a
> > function would have to be rapidly switchable as there are times when you
> > do want a number read out as a proper figure instead of just a string of
> > digits. Maybe you could assume if it has decimal places, or it has an
> > embedded comma like a currency value, it could be assumed to be a number
> > and not a phone number or a reference number.
> >
> > I have a particular problem with this since, being 52, my short-term
> > memory is shot to bits so I have to hear a number several times before
> > it sinks in, and even then sometimes I have to do it piecemeal, like
> > when I was transferring numbers from one phone to another.
> >
> > I can't remember more than about 4 or 5 digits in a string any more.
> > But I can remember what I had for breakfast so I'm not totally ga ga yet.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 19/01/2016 17:10, Steve Nutt wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I know, but the big boys can handle it, JFW and Window-Eyes and even
> >> Supernova has number control. It should be a basic function of any
screen
> >> reader. I'm surprised NVDA doesn't do it at core level, since it was
> >> written by two blind guys and you'd think numbers as words all the time
> >> would drive them up the wall, especially when programming.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Computer Room Services
> >> 77 Exeter Close
> >> Stevenage
> >> Hertfordshire
> >> SG1 4PW
> >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
> >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
> >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
> >> Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of
> >> Rajmund
> >> Sent: 19 January 2016 13:58
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: NVDA
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Not trying to hijack, but even IOS has issues with something like
999999,
> > or
> >> a phone number, at least, with punctuation disabled.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Steve Nutt <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 1:53 pm
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: NVDA
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Wow and a screen reader never had that basic feature until now?
> >> Incredible.
> >>>
> >>> How did everyone put up with it? Phone numbers anyone?
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> Computer Room Services
> >>> 77 Exeter Close
> >>> Stevenage
> >>> Hertfordshire
> >>> SG1 4PW
> >>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
> >>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
> >>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
> >>> Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf
> >> Of
> >>> Kevin Cussick (Redacted sender "the.big.white.shepherd" for DMARC)
> >>> Sent: 18 January 2016 22:30
> >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: NVDA
> >>>
> >>> Steve, your correct but there has been a patch submitted some time
ago
> >>> just not had the love yet.
> >>>
> >>> On 18/01/2016 20:54, Steve Nutt wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe that's one thing you can't do with NVDA. If you can, I'd
love
> >>> to
> >>>> know.
> >>>>
> >>>> All the best
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Computer Room Services
> >>>> 77 Exeter Close
> >>>> Stevenage
> >>>> Hertfordshire
> >>>> SG1 4PW
> >>>> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286
> >>>> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938
> >>>> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589
> >>>> Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf
> >>> Of
> >>>> Henry Miller
> >>>> Sent: 18 January 2016 19:23
> >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [access-uk] NVDA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi
> >>>> Please could someone remind me how to change the settings to ensure
that
> >>>> NVDA speaks individual digits when announcing a long string of
numbers?
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks
> >>>> Henry
> >>>>
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