Hi, We have just got another phone line with a company called Vonage <www.vonage.co.uk>. Although not really economical for a single person, if you had multiple phone lines before (i.e you were on ISDN), and going to broadband means you loose these, and want calls included, then for a tenner a month they will give you: * A geographical UK number * Calls to any geographical destination (don't use it for mobiles/0845/0870 etc as these are chargible) * All the features you have to pay for with BT - i.e, voice mail with recordable greeting, caller ID, caller display, ringback, and a load of forwarding options. They give you a box you plug into an Ethernet source, and on the back there is an analog phone port you can plug a phone into. This means now my sister can make cheap calls (we don't let her phone anything other than 01/02 numbers), and it doesn't tie up the main phone line (which is quite important for some work Dad does). If we were with cable we could get rid of BT altogether. There are cheaper versions also which I am looking into. Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: 26 September 2005 16:42 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY Yes well, tristram, that's the way I tend to see it now! The phone line is increasingly simply a conduit for the broadband connection, with phone calls an added extra for me. Sometimes I think I would like to rationalise on using my mobile for phone calls and cut out the landline phone altogether, but cost of calls wise, that isn't economic at the moment. I say roll on a flat rate connection with a lot of call time included which is meant for data comms as much, if not more than telephony. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tris-l@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY | Ray wrote: | | "That said, when we are all adicted to watching TV any time we like up to a | week or so after transmission, I wonder if 2Mbs will still be enough?" | | It won't, 8mb is pushing the limits of ADSL down analogue copper wire (at | street level). For that kind of stuff you are probably going to be looking | at 15mb for starters, that's probably going to need optical fiber up to your | house/flat. That's not very, very far away but a few years yet. I have | read a fair amount of guff on this in recent past. Telcoms are likely to | mvoe to a situation of providing all of us data packages with conventional | telephone voice services thrown in as afterthough. In other words the | priorities will be the other way around with data being most valuable | traffic to them rather than voice calls as it is in the domestic market | today. | | Regards. | | Tristram Llewellyn | Sight and Sound Technology | Technical Support | www.sightandsound.co.uk | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:25 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY | | | I tend to think that Tristram is right in saying 2Mbs is plenty for the vast | majority of us. That said, when we are all adicted to watching TV any time | we like up to a week or so after transmission, I wonder if 2Mbs will still | be enough? | | Anyway, I had a leaflet through the door about Bulldog Communications and | they appear to be very agressively cmpetitive. Take a look at: | | http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/provider.asp?ProviderID=4&kt=105 | | Just for starters. Wonder if anyone uses them or has investigated further. | Ray | | Personal emails: Email me at | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Tristram Llewellyn" | || Plusnet major on consistency and reliability I think more than raw speed. || You'll have to bear in mind 2mb rollout has only recently got started and || not everywhere has that at the moment and sometimes not even broadband. | The || availability of 4 and 8mb will be limited somewhat by geographical | proximity || or lack of it to an exchange. Therefore a number of providers have sat on || the sidelines to see how the customer experiences go with those provders || that do, for example Bulldog do this in the South, but some customers have || had major gaps in service. Take a look at somewhere like || www.theregister.co.uk for more info. || || Personally for most of what you come accross today 2mb is fast enough for || any one person. || || Regards. || || Tristram Llewellyn || Sight and Sound Technology || Technical Support || www.sightandsound.co.uk || || ----- Original Message ----- || From: "Amro Bilal" <amro_bilal@xxxxxxx> || To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> || Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:03 PM || Subject: [access-uk] Re: BROADBAND ENQUIRY || || || BROADBAND ENQUIRYVirgin.net is good as well. I've been with them for | around || two years and haven't had any problems and there help line is good too. || Though I might migrate to PlussNet when they start offering 4/8MB speed || broadband if Virgin doesn't offer a matching service. || || Cheers, || || AmroB || ----- Original Message ----- || From: Ian Macrae || To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx || Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:33 AM || Subject: [access-uk] BROADBAND ENQUIRY || || || Hi all, || || Having put up with their terrible customer service and lack of | proactivity || for too long we're at last in the process of ditching NTL at home. || Consequently we're looking at alternative broadband providers and I | wondered || whether there were any which people would highly recommend from a VI point || of view? Alternatively, are there any which should be avoided at all | costs? || I remember, for example, that AOL was set to be not very good in terms of || usability/accessibility. || || Cheers now. || || Ian || || || http://www.bbc.co.uk/ || || | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] | ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | ** and in the Subject line type | ** unsubscribe | ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the | ** immediately-following link:- | ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] | ** or send a message, to | ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq | | ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq