Habari kwa nini tusitumie whatsapp? Mmoja aanzise kundi na kutangaza
namba yake hapa, wengine wajiunge..
Cheers, Ingo
Am 21.11.2019 um 11:13 schrieb Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi:
Hello All,
Is there a better communication media/social forum that can ease communication? How about WhatsApp? Microsoft Teams? My team and I are actively working on Common Voice and we have made some progress (currently at 8% of accurate translations I believe), but sometimes we need immediate help and emails are not the best for this.
Any leads? You can give suggestions.
Thanks
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:52 PM Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Glad to see these active exchanges. Feel free to remove myself
from the thread.
It might be easier to create a group using other social media form
so it is easy to track your conversations and add new contributors.
Have a wonderful week!
Peiying
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 12:06 PM ingokoll <ikollgmx@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ikollgmx@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Habari Jeremiah, hamjambo wanakundi,
njia ya kawaida ya kushiriki katika wikipedia ni kutunga na/au
kusahihisha makala. Kwa jumla tuna upungufu mkubwa wa makala
za Kenya. Kama yeyote angependa kuchangia hapa, basi
tushauriane kuanza wapi!
Kama mkazo wenu uko katika mambo ya intaneti na kompyuta, basi
kuna kazi ya kupitilia makala zilizopo tayari (kwa kuangalia
jamii:kompyuta, jamii:intaneti). Naona vema kama mnaweza
kutambulisha msamiati wa Kilinux.
Changamoto kubwa hapo ni tuna misamiati (vocabularies) tofauti
zinazopatikana sambamba, kama vile ule kutokana na
localization ya Microsoft, ya Google, ya Kilinux ya zamani
(nilitumia mwenyewe orodha niliyohifadhi kama miaka 10 (?)
iliyopita, halafu matumizi ilikuwa kawaida bila usafinishaji.
Tena kuna "Kamusi ya Kompyuta" ambayo ni kubwa, iliyotolewa na
Taasisi ya Taaluma ya Kiswahili ya Chuo Kikuu cha Dar es
Salaam ( nina nakala ya pdf, ingawa kwa kiasi kikubwa nimepata
picha ilikuwa "tamasha ya mtu mmoja" (one-man-show).
Pale tunapokuta istilahi zisizosanifishwa hali halisi,
tunatumia mara nyingi mbinu wa kutaja istilahi mbadala
(alternative terminologies) na kuunda makala ya Redirect
(maana ukitafuta -tuseme- "Panya" au "mouse" utapelekwa
"Puku"- cjui kwenu Kilinux siku hii ni jina gani).
Kama tungekaa karibu zaidi tungepanga warsha ya pamoja. Kama
kwenu yuko mtu aliye hodari kutunga filamu fupi anaweza
kutumia "Wikipedia:Mwongozo" na kufanya kuwa ama filamu au
slideshow.
Menginevyo nitarudi tena Nairobi mwisho wa Desemba kwa siku
chache, niko pia mwanzo wa Januari. Kwa wale wanaopenda
kukutana na kufanya mazoezi kidogo tunaweza kutafuta siku
inayofaa (najua si wakati nzuri ilhali wengi watakuwa
wamesafiri...)
Ukiwa na mawazo mengine - karibu sana kuchangia!
Ndimi wenu
Ingo - mtumiaji:Kipala
Am 18.11.2019 um 12:40 schrieb Jeremiah Rotich:
Jambo Ingo Koll,
Kama mwakilishi wa Swahilinux, tungependa kushiriki kwenye
wikipedia ya Kiswahili kwa njia yoyote ile tuwezayo.
Asante.
Jeremiah Rotich.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:36 PM Jeremiah Rotich
<authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Jambo nyote,
Ninaona kuwa kila kundi linafanya vyema kwenye miradi
mnayoendelea nayo.
Nimeona Swali la ndugu Benson akiuliza jinsi ambavyo
tunaendelea na Swahilinux. Tuliahidi kuwa mwezi wa
Desemba tutao mfumo wa uendeshaji katika hali ya
majaribio na tunatumai kuwa tutafanya hivyo. Tuliweza
kusasisha na kusanidi vyema Weblate kwenye seva zetu
https://tafsiri.swahilinux.org na tumeweka miradi tofauti
ili kuhakikisha kuwa tafsiri inaendelea vyema. Tumeweza
kuchukua wadhifa wa usimamizi wa tafsir katika lugha ya
Kiswahili kwenye mfumo wa matumizi ya Ubuntu na GNU ya FSF.
Tumeweza kutengeneza uhusioano mwema na maelewano na
shirika kadhaa ambazo tunatumai kuwa tutaweza kufanya
kazi pamoja.
Ifikapo siku ya kutoa toleo hilo la majaribio
tutawatangazia nyote ili muweze kuhudhuria.
Asanteni.
Jeremiah Rotich.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 AM Ingo Koll <ikoll@xxxxxx
<mailto:ikoll@xxxxxx>> wrote:
Ndugu Benson,
habari?
Niko wikendi hii Nairobi. Je kuna wanachama ambao
wangependa kukutana Jumamosi sehemu za Westlands /
Limuru Road na kuongea kuhusu wikipedia, labda pia
kupata maelezo fupi kuhusu kuhariri?
Simu yangu ni +254 773 767 421 hadi Jtatu asubuhi.
Ndimi wako
Ingo (aka mtumiaji:kipala wa sw wikipedia)
Am 07.10.2019 um 06:30 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo,
Nimeandika kidogo, na nimeongeza picha:
https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodwar
Nitaendelea kuandika, na kuuliza watu hapa kuandika.
Common voice ni mradi kuchanga rekodi ya watu
wanaongea na lugha yote. Unaweza kuisoma hapa
https://voice.mozilla.org/. Umeandika akili ya
kichakato (artificial intelligence) si nzuri
kutafsiri wikipedia vizuri, lakini, ikiwa mtu
anataka kujua kidogo vile mtu mwingine amesema, na
hakuna mtu hapo anaweza kutafsiri vizuri, akili ya
kichakato inaweza kumsaidia. Mchango ya rekodi ya
watu wanaongea na lugha tofauti inweza kutumia
kujenga akili ya kichakato ya kutafsiri.
Ndimi,
Benson
On 10/6/19 1:11 AM, Ingo Koll wrote:
Kumbe, Lodwar!
sawa umeshawaza unapenda kuandika kuhusu nini?
Unajisikia unaanza tu au ungepemda kupata kwanza
mwongozo kidogo?
Jeremiah anafanya nini kwa Linux? Common voice ni
kitu gani?
Kipala
Am 05.10.2019 um 18:50 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo Kipala,
Sasa, iko Lodwar, lakini wengi wako Nairobi.
Nitajaribu kuandika kidogo kwa Wikipedia ya
Kiswahili. Jeremiah Rotich anaendela swahili linux:
https://github.com/swahilinux
Kevin Omondi anaendelea common voice. Unaweza
kuwaluliza ni wengapi wanafanya kazi.
Ndimi,
Benson
On 10/5/19 7:26 PM, Ingo Koll wrote:
Habari zako Benson, hujambo.
Nimefurahi kuona barua yako. Kupata washiriki
kutoka Kenya ni jambo zuri sana, ninawakaribisha
kwa mikono yote miwili.
Labda utuambie kidogo zaidi. Ukiuliza "tunaweza
kushiriki" - wenzako ni nani na wangapi ? Je mko
nyote Nairobi? Mnalenga kushiriki katika
Wikipedia ya Kiswahili?
Mnaye mtu aliyewahi kutumia wikipedia, au labda
pia kuandika mle?
Kimsingi wikipedia ni mradi wa kujitolea, maudhui
yote ni tokeo la watu kufungua akaunti na
kuchangia. Ni vema kuwasiliana na kupanga kazi
pamoj, hasa kwa hao wanaoingia mara ya kwanza
maana kutuga makala za kamusi elezo ni tofauti
kuliko mitandao ya kijamii au makundi ya majadiliano.
Hata hivyo: Karibu sana!
Kipala
Am 05.10.2019 um 09:26 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo Bw Mandele, Bw. Mtavangu na Bw. Kipala,
Kuna watu hapa Kenya wanatakua kutumia Kiswahili
mtandaoni. Tunaweza kushiriki na nyinyi?
Orodha ya barua pepe ni:
zungumza@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:zungumza@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Kuitumia, tuma barua pepe kwa
zungumza-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:zungumza-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
kwa mstari (subject) uandike 'subscribe'
Ndimi,
Benson Muite
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Project request for Swahili (sw)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:19:37 -0700
From: Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi
<komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: Benson Muite <benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jeremiah
Rotich <authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>, tom denton
<sdenton4@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:sdenton4@xxxxxxxxx>, Daniel Machanje
<dmachanje@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:dmachanje@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hello Kevin,
You are officially the community manager for
Swahili in Pontoon. You can "approve" the
suggestions you made in the system. The Pontoon
user guide will have the details. And I am here
to help in case it doesn't make any sense.
I hope more of you will be onboard to Pontoon. I
would like to make a mention of the "revived"
Swahili community in our Localization Monthly
Report.
Thank you,
Peiying
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:56 AM Kevin Ochieng’
Omondi <komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello all,
Thank you Peiying for the clarification.
Three days ago, Benson asked some questions
and I think you have addressed them well.
Now on his questions (b) and (c), my
responses are as below.
b) Is a common African or East African
language mailing list of interest? This
would be low volume, main aim is to identify
similar projects where collaboration can be
helpful. A wiki could also serve a similar
purpose.
* This would be of interest and as you
have said "low volume," it can be of
future help once our main objectives
are met. Benson you can go ahead and
create the list.
c) Kevin - will you also serve as manager
role for other Swahili projects in Pontoon?
If not, might this role suite someone from
Swahilinux, since browser language support
would be helpful.
* Peiying has addressed the manager role,
my team and I are for now interested in
Common Voice. Anyone from Swahilinux who
can help us in pushing this project,
among other projects of their interest
can volunteer to be Manager, my
colleague Dan and I can serve as a
translators in that case since we can
always get contributors.
* In case the manager role for someone in
Swahilinux is going to be too demanding,
I can therefore be manager so that we
still meet our objectives.
I will let Swahilinux team brief us on what
they have decided based on my concerns above.
Thanks
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 9:11 AM Peiying Mo
<pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hello All,
I am so glad to see all these exchanges.
Here is what I can answer or comment on:
- If one is to become a manager, Pontoon
only allows the setting as one for all
projects, - we call it Swahili community
manager, not just for one project.
- Both manager role and translator role
can review and approve a contributor's
work. So we need translator role as
well. Manager doesn't have to do actual
translation but translator's main
function is to translate and review
other's work. Translator must be able to
produce quality work without a peer
review, although peer review is highly
recommended.
- There are lots of projects within
Pontoon. Beyond Common Voice, if you are
interested in any other products, let me
know what they are, so I can help you
prioritize. Some have long release lead
time. I advise you focus on a few so you
can see the release of a product versus
spreading your effort too thin.
In case it got lost in previous
communication threads, here are a few
things worth going over:
Pontoon user guide:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/tools/pontoon/ui.html.
Roles and Responsibilities:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/community/l10n_community_roles.html
How to give feedback:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/community/l10n_feedback.html
Given there are a few of you now, it is
worth thinking of developing a glossary
list so the expressions are consistent
between contributors. If there are
established glossary (terminology) list
from Microsoft or Apple, feel free to
borrow them. No need to reinvent the wheel.
As for different flavors of Swahili, try
to stick to one. For Common Voice, you
will notice that we have one version of
English, French, German, Spanish and
Portuguese... There are accent,
different expressions for the same
meaning etc, but all of them have to
come under one language umbrella.
For now, let me know, after reading the
above about what a manager is for a
community, let me know who you would
like to nominate as the manager. I will
enable that person, and let that person
decide the roles of the rest and new
ones to join. The manager can set the
roles of the rest of the communities.
You can have two managers if needed.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers,
Peiying
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 11:27 AM Benson
Muite <benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thanks.
a) Will you be adding other
(African) languages other than
Kiswahili to common voice?
b) Is a common African or East
African language mailing list of
interest? This would be low volume,
main aim is to identify similar
projects where collaboration can be
helpful. A wiki could also serve a
similar purpose.
c) Kevin - will you also serve as
manager role for other Swahili
projects in Pontoon? If not, might
this role suite someone from
Swahilinux, since browser language
support would be helpful.
Regards,
Benson
On 9/30/19 8:21 PM, Jeremiah Rotich
wrote:
Thanks for the update Kevin. Since
Swahilinux aims at creating the
first Swahili Based Operating
System, I would wish to personally,
on behalf of the entire Swahilinux
Community, get involved with your
pontoon common Swahili voice
project if you'll accept my request.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM
Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi
<komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello All,
Thanks all for the feedback. I
have been away and I think the
suggestions made here are
great. Now, responding to
Peiying's suggestions, I
already talked to my team and I
can take the manager role (for
common voice) for sometime so
that we can push the data to a
point it can get to the staging
server.
Benson and Jeremiah; for now,
my team's (I, Tom and Dan)
objective is to work solely on
the Mozilla Pontoon Common
Voice project. It already seems
that you both are already
involved in very interesting
projects, and for sure, once my
team and I are done with this,
we will be more than glad to
contribute to your projects too.
Moving forward, after being
assigned the role of the
manager, I will be able to
communicate further any action
points to ensure progress and
not just "suggestions" as
Peiying says.
I wish you all the best and I
hope to hear from you soon.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:52 PM
Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello All,
Good to hear that you have
started collaborating. I
like the idea of creating a
mailing list for the
community so you can
communicate more easily and
more focused. Not sure what
other communication
channels that are popular.
Many communities use
Telegram, some add us to
their channel in case they
have questions, they can
ping us.
Also, it is really
important to "elect" a
manager and/or translator,
otherwise, all your work
are suggestions, and you
won't see them on staging
server. Both manager and
translator roles can review
the work of a contributor.
Once review is done, it
becomes official and can
start to be counted as
finished work.
I will let you decide on that.
Thank you,
Peiying
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at
7:44 AM Benson Muite
<benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your reply.
Currently in Lodwar.
Have mostly been
looking at software
translation, particular
projects include:
SuperTuxKart - mostly
done, but needs grammar
improvements
(https://www.transifex.com/supertuxkart/supertuxkart/)
Deepin Desktop - just
starting,
(https://www.transifex.com/linuxdeepin/deepin-desktop-environment/)
Firefox for Android
(though Kiswahili seems
to have now disappeared
-
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/contributors/xHMAhiELtOSU8mgRyq5aFWHCvMI/)
Also have interests in
open shared corpora for
training statistical
and machine learning
translation systems.
Regards,
Benson
On 9/23/19 5:22 PM,
Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi
wrote:
Hello Benson,
Thanks for reaching
out. We had a meeting
last week with my team
and Authur as well. I
was nice to hear what
he was working on and
we'll set a meeting
with him since he's
also here in Nairobi
so that we can get to
know more. We are
working on building
the common voice
dataset which is
already on Pontoon.
Maybe you can do a
small briefing on what
you're working on or
we can invite you on
our next call for a
quick chat.
Thanks
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019
at 6:11 AM Benson
Muite
<benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your
message. Sorry,
was not available
last week. Do you
have a summary?
Have you decided
on a way forward?
Might it be worth
setting up a
general Swahili
translation
mailing list that
could incorporate
translators from
other countries as
well?
Regards,
Benson
On 9/10/19 5:48
PM, Kevin Ochieng’
Omondi wrote:
Hello Benson,
I responded to
the email by
Peiying
last week. My
team (Dr. Tom, Dan)
all copied, and
I, are interested
in working on
localizing Common
voice in Swahili.
We had a hangout
meeting today and
we suggested
based on your
concerns, that it
would be good to
invite you and
any other person
reading this
email to our
hangout meeting
next week. This
is to find out
what the
contributors have
done so far and
from that we can
discuss the way
forward.
Kindly let us
know
your availability.
Our hangout
meeting for next
week is scheduled
on Tuesday 17th
07:00 - 08:00
East African Time
(EAT).
Thanks
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