Jambo Ingo Koll,
Kama mwakilishi wa Swahilinux, tungependa kushiriki kwenye wikipedia ya
Kiswahili kwa njia yoyote ile tuwezayo.
Asante.
Jeremiah Rotich.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:36 PM Jeremiah Rotich <authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Jambo nyote,
Ninaona kuwa kila kundi linafanya vyema kwenye miradi mnayoendelea nayo.
Nimeona Swali la ndugu Benson akiuliza jinsi ambavyo tunaendelea na
Swahilinux. Tuliahidi kuwa mwezi wa Desemba tutao mfumo wa uendeshaji
katika hali ya majaribio na tunatumai kuwa tutafanya hivyo. Tuliweza
kusasisha na kusanidi vyema Weblate kwenye seva zetu
https://tafsiri.swahilinux.org na tumeweka miradi tofauti ili kuhakikisha
kuwa tafsiri inaendelea vyema. Tumeweza kuchukua wadhifa wa usimamizi wa
tafsir katika lugha ya Kiswahili kwenye mfumo wa matumizi ya Ubuntu na GNU
ya FSF.
Tumeweza kutengeneza uhusioano mwema na maelewano na shirika kadhaa ambazo
tunatumai kuwa tutaweza kufanya kazi pamoja.
Ifikapo siku ya kutoa toleo hilo la majaribio tutawatangazia nyote ili
muweze kuhudhuria.
Asanteni.
Jeremiah Rotich.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 AM Ingo Koll <ikoll@xxxxxx> wrote:
Ndugu Benson,
habari?
Niko wikendi hii Nairobi. Je kuna wanachama ambao wangependa kukutana
Jumamosi sehemu za Westlands / Limuru Road na kuongea kuhusu wikipedia,
labda pia kupata maelezo fupi kuhusu kuhariri?
Simu yangu ni +254 773 767 421 hadi Jtatu asubuhi.
Ndimi wako
Ingo (aka mtumiaji:kipala wa sw wikipedia)
Am 07.10.2019 um 06:30 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo,
Nimeandika kidogo, na nimeongeza picha:
https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodwar
Nitaendelea kuandika, na kuuliza watu hapa kuandika.
Common voice ni mradi kuchanga rekodi ya watu wanaongea na lugha yote.
Unaweza kuisoma hapa https://voice.mozilla.org/. Umeandika akili ya
kichakato (artificial intelligence) si nzuri kutafsiri wikipedia vizuri,
lakini, ikiwa mtu anataka kujua kidogo vile mtu mwingine amesema, na hakuna
mtu hapo anaweza kutafsiri vizuri, akili ya kichakato inaweza kumsaidia.
Mchango ya rekodi ya watu wanaongea na lugha tofauti inweza kutumia kujenga
akili ya kichakato ya kutafsiri.
Ndimi,
Benson
On 10/6/19 1:11 AM, Ingo Koll wrote:
Kumbe, Lodwar!
sawa umeshawaza unapenda kuandika kuhusu nini? Unajisikia unaanza tu au
ungepemda kupata kwanza mwongozo kidogo?
Jeremiah anafanya nini kwa Linux? Common voice ni kitu gani?
Kipala
Am 05.10.2019 um 18:50 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo Kipala,
Sasa, iko Lodwar, lakini wengi wako Nairobi. Nitajaribu kuandika kidogo
kwa Wikipedia ya Kiswahili. Jeremiah Rotich anaendela swahili linux:
https://github.com/swahilinux
Kevin Omondi anaendelea common voice. Unaweza kuwaluliza ni wengapi
wanafanya kazi.
Ndimi,
Benson
On 10/5/19 7:26 PM, Ingo Koll wrote:
Habari zako Benson, hujambo.
Nimefurahi kuona barua yako. Kupata washiriki kutoka Kenya ni jambo zuri
sana, ninawakaribisha kwa mikono yote miwili.
Labda utuambie kidogo zaidi. Ukiuliza "tunaweza kushiriki" - wenzako ni
nani na wangapi ? Je mko nyote Nairobi? Mnalenga kushiriki katika Wikipedia
ya Kiswahili?
Mnaye mtu aliyewahi kutumia wikipedia, au labda pia kuandika mle?
Kimsingi wikipedia ni mradi wa kujitolea, maudhui yote ni tokeo la watu
kufungua akaunti na kuchangia. Ni vema kuwasiliana na kupanga kazi pamoj,
hasa kwa hao wanaoingia mara ya kwanza maana kutuga makala za kamusi elezo
ni tofauti kuliko mitandao ya kijamii au makundi ya majadiliano.
Hata hivyo: Karibu sana!
Kipala
Am 05.10.2019 um 09:26 schrieb Benson Muite:
Hujambo Bw Mandele, Bw. Mtavangu na Bw. Kipala,
Kuna watu hapa Kenya wanatakua kutumia Kiswahili mtandaoni. Tunaweza
kushiriki na nyinyi?
Orodha ya barua pepe ni:
zungumza@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Kuitumia, tuma barua pepe kwa
zungumza-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
kwa mstari (subject) uandike 'subscribe'
Ndimi,
Benson Muite
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Project request for Swahili (sw)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:19:37 -0700
From: Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx> <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi <komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: Benson Muite <benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jeremiah Rotich <authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>
<authjeremmy@xxxxxxxxx>, tom denton <sdenton4@xxxxxxxxx>
<sdenton4@xxxxxxxxx>, Daniel Machanje <dmachanje@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<dmachanje@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello Kevin,
You are officially the community manager for Swahili in Pontoon. You can
"approve" the suggestions you made in the system. The Pontoon user guide
will have the details. And I am here to help in case it doesn't make any
sense.
I hope more of you will be onboard to Pontoon. I would like to make a
mention of the "revived" Swahili community in our Localization Monthly
Report.
Thank you,
Peiying
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:56 AM Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi <
komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
Thank you Peiying for the clarification. Three days ago, Benson asked
some questions and I think you have addressed them well. Now on his
questions (b) and (c), my responses are as below.
b) Is a common African or East African language mailing list of
interest? This would be low volume, main aim is to identify similar
projects where collaboration can be helpful. A wiki could also serve a
similar purpose.
- This would be of interest and as you have said "low volume," it
can be of future help once our main objectives are met. Benson you can go
ahead and create the list.
c) Kevin - will you also serve as manager role for other Swahili
projects in Pontoon? If not, might this role suite someone from Swahilinux,
since browser language support would be helpful.
- Peiying has addressed the manager role, my team and I are for now
interested in Common Voice. Anyone from Swahilinux who can help us in
pushing this project, among other projects of their interest can
volunteer
to be Manager, my colleague Dan and I can serve as a translators in that
case since we can always get contributors.
- In case the manager role for someone in Swahilinux is going to be
too demanding, I can therefore be manager so that we still meet our
objectives.
I will let Swahilinux team brief us on what they have decided based on
my concerns above.
Thanks
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 9:11 AM Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
I am so glad to see all these exchanges. Here is what I can answer or
comment on:
- If one is to become a manager, Pontoon only allows the setting as one
for all projects, - we call it Swahili community manager, not just for one
project.
- Both manager role and translator role can review and approve a
contributor's work. So we need translator role as well. Manager doesn't
have to do actual translation but translator's main function is to
translate and review other's work. Translator must be able to produce
quality work without a peer review, although peer review is highly
recommended.
- There are lots of projects within Pontoon. Beyond Common Voice, if
you are interested in any other products, let me know what they are, so I
can help you prioritize. Some have long release lead time. I advise you
focus on a few so you can see the release of a product versus spreading
your effort too thin.
In case it got lost in previous communication threads, here are a few
things worth going over:
Pontoon user guide:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/tools/pontoon/ui.html.
Roles and Responsibilities:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/community/l10n_community_roles.html
How to give feedback:
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/localizer-documentation/community/l10n_feedback.html
Given there are a few of you now, it is worth thinking of developing a
glossary list so the expressions are consistent between contributors. If
there are established glossary (terminology) list from Microsoft or Apple,
feel free to borrow them. No need to reinvent the wheel.
As for different flavors of Swahili, try to stick to one. For Common
Voice, you will notice that we have one version of English, French, German,
Spanish and Portuguese... There are accent, different expressions for the
same meaning etc, but all of them have to come under one language umbrella.
For now, let me know, after reading the above about what a manager is
for a community, let me know who you would like to nominate as the manager.
I will enable that person, and let that person decide the roles of the rest
and new ones to join. The manager can set the roles of the rest of the
communities. You can have two managers if needed.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Cheers,
Peiying
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 11:27 AM Benson Muite <
benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks.
a) Will you be adding other (African) languages other than Kiswahili
to common voice?
b) Is a common African or East African language mailing list of
interest? This would be low volume, main aim is to identify similar
projects where collaboration can be helpful. A wiki could also serve a
similar purpose.
c) Kevin - will you also serve as manager role for other Swahili
projects in Pontoon? If not, might this role suite someone from
Swahilinux,
since browser language support would be helpful.
Regards,
Benson
On 9/30/19 8:21 PM, Jeremiah Rotich wrote:
Thanks for the update Kevin. Since Swahilinux aims at creating the
first Swahili Based Operating System, I would wish to personally, on
behalf
of the entire Swahilinux Community, get involved with your pontoon common
Swahili voice project if you'll accept my request.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi <
komondi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
Thanks all for the feedback. I have been away and I think the
suggestions made here are great. Now, responding to Peiying's
suggestions,
I already talked to my team and I can take the manager role (for common
voice) for sometime so that we can push the data to a point it can get to
the staging server.
Benson and Jeremiah; for now, my team's (I, Tom and Dan) objective is
to work solely on the Mozilla Pontoon Common Voice project. It already
seems that you both are already involved in very interesting projects,
and
for sure, once my team and I are done with this, we will be more than
glad
to contribute to your projects too.
Moving forward, after being assigned the role of the manager, I will
be able to communicate further any action points to ensure progress and
not
just "suggestions" as Peiying says.
I wish you all the best and I hope to hear from you soon.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:52 PM Peiying Mo <pmo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
Good to hear that you have started collaborating. I like the idea of
creating a mailing list for the community so you can communicate more
easily and more focused. Not sure what other communication channels that
are popular. Many communities use Telegram, some add us to their
channel in
case they have questions, they can ping us.
Also, it is really important to "elect" a manager and/or translator,
otherwise, all your work are suggestions, and you won't see them on
staging
server. Both manager and translator roles can review the work of a
contributor. Once review is done, it becomes official and can start to
be
counted as finished work.
I will let you decide on that.
Thank you,
Peiying
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:44 AM Benson Muite <
benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your reply. Currently in Lodwar. Have mostly been
looking at software translation, particular projects include:
SuperTuxKart - mostly done, but needs grammar improvements (
https://www.transifex.com/supertuxkart/supertuxkart/)
Deepin Desktop - just starting, (
https://www.transifex.com/linuxdeepin/deepin-desktop-environment/)
Firefox for Android (though Kiswahili seems to have now disappeared
-
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/contributors/xHMAhiELtOSU8mgRyq5aFWHCvMI/)
Also have interests in open shared corpora for training statistical
and machine learning translation systems.
Regards,
Benson
On 9/23/19 5:22 PM, Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi wrote:
Hello Benson,
Thanks for reaching out. We had a meeting last week with my team
and Authur as well. I was nice to hear what he was working on and
we'll set
a meeting with him since he's also here in Nairobi so that we can get
to
know more. We are working on building the common voice dataset which is
already on Pontoon.
Maybe you can do a small briefing on what you're working on or we
can invite you on our next call for a quick chat.
Thanks
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:11 AM Benson Muite <
benson_muite@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your message. Sorry, was not available last week. Do
you have a summary? Have you decided on a way forward? Might it be
worth
setting up a general Swahili translation mailing list that could
incorporate translators from other countries as well?
Regards,
Benson
On 9/10/19 5:48 PM, Kevin Ochieng’ Omondi wrote:
Hello Benson,
I responded to the email by Peiying last week. My team (Dr. Tom,
Dan)
all copied, and I, are interested in working on localizing Common
voice in Swahili. We had a hangout meeting today and we suggested
based on
your concerns, that it would be good to invite you and any other
person
reading this email to our hangout meeting next week. This is to find
out
what the contributors have done so far and from that we can discuss
the way
forward.
Kindly let us know your availability. Our hangout meeting for next
week is scheduled on Tuesday 17th 07:00 - 08:00 East African Time
(EAT).
Thanks
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