--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Cayuse" <z.z7@...> wrote: > I take LW's point to be that, in the case of sensations, language > is operating on a different principle to that of "object and designation" > -- i.e. pain isn't a "thing" to which language "refers": and I agree, course. So where is our difference? You think I'm asking..."how the physical person and the "what it is like" are related" and by doing so, which I agree happens,.."posit such metaphysical hypotheses as materialism, idealism, and dualism." It is true I've asked that question here, because that is SWM's question. But then again I've tried to show how that question, when answered by an ontological posit of substances, gets mired in M, I, and D. So we are on the same page here. However, I disagree, if this is what you are saying or think LW is saying, that "what is it like to be me" cannot be empirically studied. In sum: while pain isn't a thing to which language refers, it is still a subject matter which can be worded and studied. And the treatment of an amputee's pain is no less objective than the medical treaatment of his stump. This is the work I do. bruce WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009