(VICT) Re: Pre-emptive obedience?!
- From: "Gisele Mesnage" <gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:45:24 +1000
Hello Ann,
I really enjoyed reading your response to my post and I want to thank you for
taking the trouble to explain things so thoroughly. You made many interesting
points, including your comments about how even sending the dog to the mat can
be turned into something the dog does not view as a punishment .I was also
very interested in reading your comments about behavioural cues and ""default"
behaviours. Your example of trying to get Katie to go to her mat when the door
opens is a very apt one, and I must try it. Katie gets very excited when
visitors come and she has a habit of jumping to greet I tie her when I expect
a visit, or try to tie her before answering the door when someone comes
unexpectedly. It would be so much better if she could just go to her mat when
she hears the door bell ring. It probably would not be too hard to set up an
exercise where I can get someone to ring the bell, and then I tell her to go to
her mat and click and treat each time she does it.
It's a cold, rainy miserable day in Sydney...I'm off to bed now. Katie is by
my side, waiting to snuggle up in her bed too.
Cheers and thanks again for your reply
Gisele .
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gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Edie
To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Pre-emptive obedience?!
Hi, Gisele,
That's great that Katie wants to play the clicker game by going to her mat!
At first, when the dog performs a behavior that we like, or that we have
been practicing, or that will be useful to us in the future, we want to
click and treat, even if we didn't ask for that behavior at that particular
time. This is to increase the likelihood of the behavior happening in the
future, or, in this case, perhaps to let the dog know that going to her mat
is not a punishment, but a behavior that leads to good and happy things.
Later, when the behavior has been clicked and treated many times and is
well-established, then you can "put the behavior on cue", which means that
you associate a cue with the behavior and gradually work toward the point
where she does the behavior when you present the cue, and does not do it
without the cue. At that time, you might not click and treat if she goes to
her mat when you did not ask her to do that.
But some behaviors are so valuable to us that we might want to reward them
whenever they occur, even if we didn't specifically cue the behavior. These
behaviors are sometimes called "default" behaviors, or things that we want
the dog to do without a specific verbal or gestural cue from us. Sometimes
the presence of the handler is the cue for the behavior, or sometimes it is
something else in the environment that is the cue to the animal that this
particular behavior will be rewarded if it is performed now.
For example, you might eventually teach Katie that every time the front door
opens, she will be rewarded for going to her mat, (either by a click and a
treat, or perhaps, by a click and permission to greet the guest who has
entered.) So you won't have to say anything; the open door becomes the cue
to go to her mat. This kind of environmentally cued behavior may save the
life of the dog some day, if the door is opened inadvertently, because her
first response will be to go to her mat, rather than to run out the door.
But for now, isn't it wonderful when the dog "gets it" and learns that she
can cause you to turn into a vending machine and produce a reward simply by
performing certain behaviors?! This is the birth of a clicker star!--a dog
that is thinking about you and how she can please you and how she can keep a
"conversation" going between you and her!
Best,
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gisele Mesnage" <gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:09 PM
Subject: (VICT) Pre-emptive obedience?!
> Hello all
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> This morning, I did a bit of clicker training obedience with my dog Katie.
> One of the commands I am trying to instil is "On your mat!" I don't click
> or treat her until I hear the rustling noise of Katie scrunching up her
> mat. Later in the morning, obedience session out of my mind, I walked
> into the room where her mat is, Katie tagging along behind me as always.
> Suddenly, I felt Katie rush past me, and next thing I heard the distinct
> rustling noise of her getting on her mat. And there she was, sitting
> pretty, tail wagging and waiting for a treat! Is this a case of
> pre-emptive obedience? <s>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gisele
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> gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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