Christy, thanks for teh good reminder of these terms. I started reading Accelerated learning by pamela reid. She discusses these and many other terms. It's a tough read book, but think will learn alot if ever make it through all the details smile!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christy Hill" <care4k9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: (VICT) Re: Our Latest Adventure: Things I am Still Learning > I'm following the conversation re > positive versus negative techniques I'm a real stinker of terminology. Since clicker training is based on science of behavior analysis we really need to clarify the terms. Realize that the layman terms positive and negative are useless terms in clicker training or behavior analysis and especially when describing operant conditioning. Clicker training is strictly positive reinforcement. Traditional methods that use punishment is a combination of positive punishment techniques and negative reinforcements. Confused? Here is to make it much more simplistic. Positive means something added Negative means something taken away Reinforcement means the likelihood of the behavior to occur again Punishment is suppression of the behavior So positive reinforcement is something added to increase the likelihood of the behavior increasing. This means adding food to see the behavior happen again. Positive punishment is to add something that decreases the behavior. Giving a dog a correction or a shock with an electronic collar to stop barking. Negative punishment is to take something away to decrease a behavior. My favorite of this is I take myself away from my dog when he tries to jump on me and the jump up decreases. Then we have one that is sometimes confusing. Negative Reinforcement. That is when something is taken away to increase a behavior. This is more of an avoidance technique. You use a choke collar on the dog to increase heeling. The dog wants to avoid the pain, so they take them away or avoid the yank of the choke chain to increase heeling. I know this terminology can get difficult to understand, but it does tell you how the typical layman terms do not fit when you are discussing operant conditioning terms or clicker training. For further reading, you can go to: http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/ Christy