It's the confusion between wings pan of spread specimens and forewing length of a wing. And when I say west I mean TX, OK, NE and parts west-look at MPG. Merrill On Apr 20, 2012 5:02 PM, "kjchilds" <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I just did some digging and 2 of the Oklahoma records for Ephestiodes > gilvescentella belong to Mark Dreiling and were verified by DNA > barcoding. > > Ken Childs > Henderson, TN > Chester County > > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > *Cc:* TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2012 3:34 PM > *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: Help with some micros > > I was using the size range for Euzophera semifuneralis on BG which is > listed as "wingspan 20-25 mm". If that's wrong, you should notify one of > the BG guys in the FB mothing group to change the info. Even then, the FW > length on this moth is less than 5mm. > > I'm going by the MPG range map for Ephestiodes gilvescentella. If any of > those east of the Rockies records are accurate then I think it's a definite > possibility. > http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/large_map.php?hodges=6000 > > Ken Childs > Henderson, TN > Chester County > > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx> > *To:* ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2012 3:22 PM > *Subject:* [ncsc-moths] Re: Help with some micros > > Euzophera semifuneralis *is* a small moth--it can be as small as 7mm FW > length. According to MPG range maps and the MONA Pyraloidea fascicle, > Ephestiodes gilvescentella is a western moth--what is the source for the > records from the east you cite? > > Merrill > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The TL of the moth in pic 4658 was only 6 mm so it's too small for 5995 > > Euzophera semifuneralis but it is the right size for Ephestiodes. > > There are records for Ephestiodes gilvescentella in Maryland, Florida and > > Oklahoma which is why I'm considering it. > > > > Ken Childs > > Henderson, TN > > Chester County > > > > http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > > http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > > > ________________________________ > > From: J. Merrill Lynch <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Cc: "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 2:11 PM > > Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Help with some micros > > > > Ken, pic 4658 looks like 5995 Euzophera semifuneralis to me. Not > > familiar with the other micro--could be Ephestiodes but gilvescentella > > according to MPG is a more western species. > > > > Merrill > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> My best guesses for these 2 are: > >> > >> IMG_4628 is 6000 Ephestiodes gilvescentella > >> IMG_4658 is 6001 Ephestiodes infimella. > >> > >> Yes, no, maybe? > >> > >> Ken Childs > >> Henderson, TN > >> Chester County > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths > >> http://www.finishflagfarms.com > > > > > > > > -- > > J. Merrill Lynch > > Echo Valley Farm > > Watauga County, NC > > Elevation: 3,400 feet > > > > > > > > > > -- > J. Merrill Lynch > Echo Valley Farm > Watauga County, NC > Elevation: 3,400 feet > > > > > > >