[tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
- From: "Jean Obrist" <innisfreehorses@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:37:26 -0400
Yes, it's frustrating, but there is no hurry. Pouring over moth photos is what
winters are for.
It's amazing how quickly one begins to see patterns, and can narrow moths down.
Then it becomes not so overwhelming.
There is a little trick I use sometimes: squint at your moth pic; this gives
your eyes/ brain a pattern of light/ dark that can be held like a template when
your plowing through web pics. This really helps with moths that give the
general appearance of brown and wavy. Also, don't spend too much time on one
moth. Look for a while, then proceed to the next one. Your brain still has
the first one(s), so you will recognize it even when looking for something else.
Jean obrist
----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Downs
To: Tn-Moths
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:13 PM
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
I share the frustrations of Kris in trying to ID so many moths. I am
currently working through about 400 photos taken already this year and am
suffering from moth overload, especially when I am also working with birds,
butterflies, and odes. I think most of us will just have to be patient, learn
as we go along, and continue to post ID help requests, trusting the more
educated to help us out. I am finding that I am already getting better at
knowing some instantly, finding others, narrowing to families for others, etc.
I think the simpler we keep things on the listserv the better off we will be
for now. If we get too narrow and demanding in our requirements, I fear it
will discourage newcomers and learners -- the very thing we don't want to do.
Keep those pics and records coming. I continue to update the state list and
will likely post again sometime around July 1. Will be interesting to see what
has been added by then.
A quick question: How long should we allow ID requests to remain posted
without ID help before giving up and seeking help elsewhere (e.g. BugGuide)?
Doug Downs
Sparta, White County, TN
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:46:16 +0000
From: klight10@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
Yikes! My inbox is crammed full of entries for butterflies and moths now, I
imagine it would crash under its own weight if we added flowers, fungi and
bugs!!! :-0
Here's a wild suggestion, I wish there was some way newbies (like me) could
use some kind of pattern-recognition program that could compare a member's
photograph with a known moth and then give an answer to its identity. I am so
overwhelmed by wading through thousands of photos on Bugguide, Moth
Photographers, my Peterson's moth guide, and Larry and Audrey's photos! I'm
getting so many moths that I can't find anywhere!
On another note, I am planning to talk to the UT Arboretum folks in a couple
of weeks about the possibility of doing a Moth Night there sometime this
summer. The arboretum is in Oak Ridge. If this turns out to be a possibility,
would any of the TN-Moth group be interested in helping out? If it does happen,
I'll post the information on here.
Noah Charney, the co-author of "Tracks and Sign of Invertebrate Animals" will
be speaking at the American Museum of Science and Energy on July 17 at 1:00
p.m. If you have not seen this book, it is excellent! It answers many of your,
"What is that?" questions of things you encounter out in nature.
Kris Light
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Obrist" <innisfreehorses@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 7:29:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
How about TN-wildflowers? Right, Kris and Audrey?
Or TN-shrooms? Fungi of all sorts. Well, maybe not bread mold. LOL
Jean obrist
----- Original Message -----
From: Avian Pursuits Nature Tours
To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:18 PM
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
I agree we don't need any 'rules'. I just mentioned that to describe the
page I was trying to think of...like a FAQ page. I agree that things are going
well with this list. My suggestion is for something on the FAQ or "How To" page
to have info about how to submit records for moths, both First Of Year and
county records. Best to have a simple checklist of information that should be
included with each record. Think of what someone signing on for the first time
would want to know about the list and what to do with his/her moth records.
Sound right?
....wondering what the next TN-xxxxx listserve will be.....TN-Bugs?
David Trently
Avian Pursuits Nature Tours
...come see the real world!
Knoxville, TN
http://avianpursuits.com/
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From: Larry McDaniel <larrycmcd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tn-moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 7:05:49 PM
Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Concerning moth documentation...
David,
I am the administrator of tn-moths. I never set up a how to page. I've been
letting things flow and it seems to being going okay. I'm not sure what rules I
would use at this time. Nor have I looked at the web page option. I'm open to
the idea of pursuing this. I would like to hear from others. My opinion is
things are okay the way they are, I've belonged to several listservs and I
never used a how to page, but I'm happy to make changes as the group sees fit.
Larry McDaniel
Johnson City, TN
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:56:06 -0700
From: naturetours@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tn-moths] Concerning moth documentation...
To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
After reading J. N. Howard's note asking about requirements for
documentation, I went to the TN-Moths site on the FreeLists website to look to
see if there was information about the 'rules' for this listserve, and/or
information about documenting moths. I didn't find anything. Some lists (not
sure if this includes those on FreeLists) have a place where this kind of
information can be placed. I think I recall it for TN-Butterflies...but I
wasn't able to find that either.
Is there such a page for TN-Moths? If not, it looks like the list
administrator can set up a web page for the list. It could include information
about how to document sightings (even though this list is not just about
documentation)
Am I just not finding this info?
David Trently
Avian Pursuits Nature Tours
...come see the real world!
Knoxville, TN
http://avianpursuits.com/
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