Hi, John! I'm very glad your exploratory op went well, but the analogy that you're creating is mildly flawed. If your medical condition/circumstances fell outside the norm, your medical insurer could have easily transformed your situation in a nonsensical way quit reminisent of the EU's decision making on RoHS. As an example, I was experiencing shoulder pain and pressure in the chest. Failed a stress test with notable reduction of flow to the apex of the heart. My primary care doctor actually had to argue with the interventional cardiologist and insurance folks that a catheterization was justified to expose and hopefully clear a blockage in the coronary arteries. His argument focused on which costs less: cathing to head off a heart attack or waiting for a heart attack to occur and then cathing? Contrary to what you are expecting for an answer, they actually realized that an overnight in the hospital plus cath would cost less than an ambulance, cath, and a week in the hospital - and gave in. The really amusing aspect was their espression of amazement to find blocked arteries. My point is that sometimes deductive reasoning based upon real world experience is actually a more efficient process than waiting for scientific data. And no! I would not recommend surgical intervention without exploratory procedures ... :o). But why should we have to go down the path of leadfree after all of scientific research says that it probably isn't an environementally sound decision. Same goes for reliability. BTW, have you ever wondered about the fact that inovative drugs and treatments are introduced in the EU years ahead of them gaining FDA approval here at home? From my perspective, giving thanks that the EU doesn't control medicine is not justified. They already do exactly what would worry you, but their ill founded decision making is only effecting our fellow humans living in Europe. Please know that you have my sincere good wishes for a happy and healthy outcome of your upcoming medical activities. Very best regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Burke Sent: 2008 Aug 20 1:59 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Steve Smith' Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: [RoHSUSAPushback] WG: E-Mail schreiben an: 120825.htm That is one interesting article. Thanks Bob, the exploratory op went well but I have to go back in on the second of September for the op that the exploratory op discovered I need so expect me to be off line for a week or two after that as I will most probably not be particularly focused on email........8-) Wish the EU worked like that - exploratory followed by action based on scientific evidence. If the EU environmental department controlled medicine Lord help us all - you could walk in to the doctor for a check up, be given major surgery for a non existent condition and come out worse off due to it. Oh did I just describe the RoHS lead in solders ban??????? John Burke (408) 515 4992 -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Landman Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:32 PM To: 'Steve Smith'; 'John Burke' Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: [RoHSUSAPushback] WG: E-Mail schreiben an: 120825.htm I read the SciAM article (and I'm a chronic asthma sufferer. Really pissed me off (even more) at the EU. John, hope your stay in hospital resolved ok. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Steve Smith [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:28 PM To: John Burke Cc: Bob Landman Subject: Re: [tinwhiskers] Re: [RoHSUSAPushback] WG: E-Mail schreiben an: 120825.htm Hi, John It gets even better: Did you see that guy's SECOND post? It's a real zinger! http://desicritics.org/2008/08/19/120056.php Best regards, Steve Smith www.consultingscientist.us http://www.pickensplan.com/ The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, forwarding, dissemination, or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.