[THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix

  • From: "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:55:47 -0700

Even the SCSI 10k drives are not that great... Mostly because the onboard
raid controllers are poorly implemented and most do not have a cache.

Joe

On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon <JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

i agree with that. you are limited as to the local drives that come in blades. many will only have ide drives available so the peformance benefits from FC disks are significant...


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*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
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*Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:31 PM

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*Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix

 I've seen many orgs do this with the older blades strictly because of the
IDE drivers that were in use.  They were getting better performance from the
SAN vs the local IDE drives.


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On 7/19/06, Eldon <u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> on a related note, for those organizations that are using Blades for
> TS\Citrix, are a majority using local blade disks rather than boot from SAN?
>
>  On 7/19/06, Jeff Pitsch < jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >  while I agree with what your saying the fact is is that if you are
> implementing a SAN most servers are probably going to have HBA's in them
> already whether it's for backup or disk access.  If your implementing EMC
> SAN's then feasible and economical aren't usually something they are
> necessarily worried about.
>
>
> *Jeff Pitsch
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>
>  On 7/19/06, Landin, Mark < Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >  "Cost prohibitive" is a subjective measure and varies by company.
> > Yes, many places do it. That doesn't mean it's feasible or economical in
> > every organization.
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > *On Behalf Of *Jeff Pitsch
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:08 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> >
> >
> >
>  there are so many organizations doing boot from SAN that truly doubt it
> is cost prohibitive.
>
>
> *Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server*
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>
>  On 7/19/06, Eldon < u2htdaab@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > my understanding is that it was disk cost - the # of spindles needing
> > to be allocated, multiplied by the number of servers booting from SAN.....
> >
> >
> > On 7/19/06, Luchette, Jon < JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >  right, what is he talking about. because if he is talking about the
> > > hba's then that is not specific to booting from the san, but just 
something
> > > that you will need if you want to use your san at all...?
> > >
> > > what is he talking about?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > *Jon Luchette
> > > *** *Emerson Hospital*
> > > *Technology Specialist III*
> > >  *Work: 978-287-3369*
> > > *Cell:  978-360-1379*
> > >
> > > jluchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *_______________________________________________*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Landin, Mark
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23 AM
> > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [THIN] Re: SAN Benefits for Citrix
> > >
> > >
> > >  What cost does he associate with boot-from-SAN?
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Eldon
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:13 AM
> > > *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [THIN] SAN Benefits for Citrix
> > >
> > >
> > >  My organization just installed an EMC SAN and I was thinking how I
> > > could use it to benefit my current (XP FR3) and future (upgrading to PS 4)
> > > environment.  How can I use the SAN to enhance my Citrix deployment
> > > (currently 15 servers, 250 concurrent users, hardware become outdated and
> > > soon needs replacement)?  I was told by our SAN Admin that booting new
> > > servers from the SAN would probably be cost prohibitive.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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