[THIN] [OT]:RE: Re: Win2k SP4
- From: "Bruce Jarrett-Norton" <bjarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:57:06 -0400
But look at who is using and trying to "break" the systems. Why would
hackers try to hack Linux and find its flaws? I mean it is the same as
saying that GroupWise is more Secure than Exchange. Exchange is more
widely used that GW and thus has a larger % of people trying to break
it. GW and Lotus Notes both work on MS Windows platforms. Why are
these left out of the argument that Linux is better? No matter how you
look at it there is not and will not be, as far as I can see, a good
apples to apples comparison for Linux v. MS v. Novell. This is just the
nature of the beast and each side will defend their side to the "death".
Bruce Jarrett-Norton
-----Original Message-----
From: Magnus [mailto:magnus@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:38 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
In my own experience with MS exchange and a Linux Open Source
Email server (that has the same functionality as exchange ) I have had
458 days of uptime with the Linux version with no issues, bugs, security
flaws(exploits, holes...etc) as with the exchange server I am patching
it every 2 to 4 weeks and their are more security issues with exchange
(Exchange 2000 with sp2 installed their are at least 20 security
exploits and bugs with it right now according to CERT and SANS)
That is why I stated that Linux is more stable. Although the
hard data is from our own deployment of both
Magnus
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lucas Boyken
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
The comment you made about Linux being more stable than
Windows is subjective. Unless hard data is available, an apples to
apples comparison, I cannot hold this statement to be either true or
false. Windows has a larger market share and is used for more
applications at this point in time than Linux. Open source, I will
conceed, is a great way to work as a community to solve problems.
However, the old adage that too many cooks in a kitchen only spoils the
reciepe might apply in this case. Of course you are bound to see some
changes in how the code works, what it can do, etc. However, with open
source does come problems that you don't have in a closed environment
that Microsoft enjoys. We must remain objective, that is all that I am
stressing. When sweeping comments charge that one is better than the
other without any hard data, that is when we get into battles of opinion
instead of battles of fact.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative
lboyken@xxxxxxxxx
Company Phone: 800.222.7601
Office Phone: 515.332.2751
Fax: 515.332.5687
-----Original Message-----
From: Magnus [mailto:magnus@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:21 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
Just food for thought
If Microsoft went to Open source we would have
alot less problems, That is why Linux is alot more stable than Windows
would be. Also the fact that 3rd party software vendors do not adhere
to OS programming standards doesnt suprise me when 30 to 45% of the time
Microsoft's own programmers do not adhere to those standards.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lucas Boyken
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
Neil,
After a while, you will see that I enjoy
the discussion more so than the actual position that I take in that
discussion. I hope this leaves no hard feelings between us. At the end
of the day, I like learning about what makes people tick, why they
choose the positions they take, etc.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical
Representative
lboyken@xxxxxxxxx
Company Phone: 800.222.7601
Office Phone: 515.332.2751
Fax: 515.332.5687
-----Original Message-----
From: Braebaum, Neil
[mailto:Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:45 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
You do realise the irony of your
perspective, now, is almost a U-turn from the one you were arguing
against me, regarding Microsoft and their software quality-control? ;-)
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucas Boyken
[mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 02 July 2003 16:35
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
Importance: High
Slow down. SP4, and a majority of the
service packs released, work fine with Microsoft products. Simply
because you have chosen a third party piece of software, you cannot
blame Microsoft for all the adverse reactions that it has to new
updates. Microsoft can only control the code that they put into their
products. They cannot control, to a large degree, the code that third
party vendors put into their products. We have had this discussion
before on this board, and it just dawned on me why I have suffered so
few errors with service packs compared to many of the responses I have
recieved. Could it be, and this is just a suggestion, but could it be
because a majority of you are using Citrix that this is the cause of
many of your headaches and not Microsoft. Let me make a point,
Microsoft develops and manufactures software, and this software is the
only code that they have direct control over. If a third party
vendor/manufacturer decides to code a program and doesn't follow the
guidelines set out in the OS's whitepapers, etc. any errors or problems
should not automatically be assigned to Microsoft. We must look at the
total picture and realize that there is a lot in play here. Very
possibly it could be that Citrix has not be coding correctly or to the
standards that Microsoft has put out.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical
Representative
lboyken@xxxxxxxxx
Company Phone: 800.222.7601
Office Phone: 515.332.2751
Fax: 515.332.5687
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Murphy
[mailto:brian_murphy@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 6:10 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Win2k SP4
Importance: High
Gee. Sounds exactly like my issue a few
posts back....
"Post SP4 Issue - Desktop Login"
How hard is it to create a Service Pack
that doesn't screw everything up?
I could understand the first, 2nd, and
maybe the 3rd SP but come on guys. This is the 4th SP.
Luckily, I have not deployed this to any
production systems yet but this is still ridiculous.
Frank,
Just curious. What type of Hardware was
this deployed on and were any other updates applied other than the
Service Pack during the same time frame?
Thanks.
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