I honestly think you'd benefit from re-reading what I wrote, before replying in a rather knee-jerk manner. You are still considering this in black-and-white, or Microsoft-or-opensource terms. Business (largely) cares little about such things. Again, I'd advocate - take a step back, and actually consider why and what it is that *business* gets out of IT. For some, it's a necessary evil, for some it's process reengineering, for some leverage, for some competitive advantage, for some - necessary to stay afloat, for some the ability to expand, and for some the ability to react. For some, it's core business, for others, merely a means to an end. Business tend to want to know that IT is going to do for them, and what it's going to cost. That's the bottom line. They are in it, to make money, and when it's not core business, it's there to facilitate core business. Stability and security, may be important factors - but apart from specialist fields, don't tend to be core business reasons for the use of IT. The core business reasons tend to be what is it going to do for them, and what is it going to cost. Business decisions will have countless factors that go into this very basic criteria - cost (revenue and capital), suitability, risk, flexibility, accountability, and support. To mitigate this, businesses will take a wholly holistic look at the costs and attributes of technology. And they will also take advice, and views on the general trends from industry watchers. It is the acceptance and understanding of the true value of IT to business, that an IT professional will see beyond personal preferences, allegiances, and biases, to truly understand how the service fits into business. Ignorance or rejection of this, blind advocacy and market polarisation is a likely path to obsolescence. Nothing is more constant, than change, in this industry. As to your reply to my post, if you can actually demonstrate to management, that the solution (whatever it happens to be) is cost-effective, fits the needs, and is flexible for future developments, you'll likely have a winner. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Magnus [mailto:magnus@xxxxxxxx] Sent: 03 July 2003 13:27 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: [OT]:RE: Re: Win2k SP4 If 2 products do the same thing (business wise like email) and one is more stable and secure than other which one would you buy, and for that fact which one woule management sign off on? -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:39 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: [OT]:RE: Re: Win2k SP4 This debate has raged for years and years, and will continue to with polarised zealots on either side. Each of which, normally misses the most significant point. Businesses *don't* buy software (as a generalisation) on *technical* merit. Business buy software to help them perform business. You may deride the presence of beancounters in the arena of product choice, but consider, for a second, *why* it is that business buy software. Once technical bods like ourselves, take a step back and look at the big picture, of how the use of software fits into business, rather than looking through rose-coloured spectacles at technical excellence, things will make a whole deal more sense. Meanwhile, normal service will resume, and technical forums will continue to have emotive and incessant discussions on product advocacy, and *still* completely miss the point... This has been a scheduled break in your normal viewing... as you were. Neil *********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that email communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152 ***********************************************************************