So you don't apply Microsoft security hotfixes when they come out? > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:02 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > Comments inline... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M > > Sent: 04 November 2004 15:59 > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > And here is why I asked..... > > > > Since deploying those hotfixes, per Citrix, my resource manager is > > flaky. When trying to view server log for Summary > > Database...."Resource Manager could not read the oldest Server Log > > file." > > > > My load evaluators on several servers show nothing....0.0%. > > Ummm....no. > > > > Now I have reactively/proactively patched, and may have fixed one > > thing...but apparently broke something else.... > > Which is *exactly* why the official recommendations have > always been to always only apply *hotfixes* when you are > experiencing the fault. > > Neil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:46 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > Hey, for a while, I probably would have thought the same - > proactively > > do it, and stay current. > > > > I tried that years ago. > > > > Then got my fingers burnt with *service packs* never mind hotfixes. > > > > Automatic updates like Windows update are a different > matter, but now, > > apart from security stuff, I'd only ever apply hotfixes if they > > addressed issues that I was encountering - or likely to. > > > > I've never been entirely convinced with the concept of > roll-up hotfix > > packages - just strikes me it's taken too long between > service packs, > > and they've got too many hotfixes that have been succeeded. > > > > Neil > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > Behalf Of John Hardwick > > > Sent: 04 November 2004 15:40 > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > The speal that I received from Citrix support a couple of > > days ago... > > > as I've always been the one to proactively patch instead of > > > reactively... was that all of the hotfixes are tested and > > developed in > > > a Base product > > > + that one fix environment. They are not tested as a > > > combined product. > > > > > > > > > I made the same point about the recent Ctx rollup patch and > > was met by > > > silence by the Citrix rep. > > > > > > I haven't had any problems with a fully patched MF 3.0 server. > > > > > > Other than the usual random Citrix bugs that keep the > support folks > > > employed. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil > > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:07 AM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > As to which documentation - I'm not sure without looking. > But then > > > having it written "authoritatively" in a document is not > > something I > > > need. > > > > > > However, I've definitely read it from Citrix sources as well as > > > Microsoft. > > > > > > As to the service pack thing, that is a different matter. > > > > > > By the time a service pack has come along, all the included > > fixes are > > > *meant* to be ratified, and *meant* to not cause issues > > cumulatively, > > > or known problems. > > > > > > Hotfixes by their very nature (I mean look at the word > > > itself) are meant to be specific fixes for specific > > problems, used in > > > an interim basis, before a ratified service pack comes along. > > > > > > Security patches that might be critical updates from > Windows update > > > are another matter - but it's quite rash to just apply > hotfixes to > > > stay current - unless you definitely have a need for them. > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin > > > > Sent: 04 November 2004 14:57 > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > Which Citrix documentation? It seems odd that this would be a > > > > recommendation, because hotfixes are eventually wrapped up in a > > > > service pack which, at least in the case of Microsoft, is > > > > universally recommended. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > On Behalf Of Braebaum, Neil > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:09 AM > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this written in both Citrix's documentation, and > > > > > Microsoft's before now. > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, it's always been considered "best practices". > > > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin > > > > > > Sent: 04 November 2004 03:59 > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be interested in that. Can you ask them if they've > > > > > documented that > > > > > > somewhere as a formal recommdendation? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:52 PM > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have to talk with a Couple Citrix SE's, who just > > > at iForum, > > > > > > restated not to install a patch, unless a specific > > item you are > > > > > > experiencing, is fixed with that patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the input. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:43 PM > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > I work for the 2003 Citrix North American partner of the > > > > > year and all > > > > > > the Senior Consultants in the Citrix practice had this > > > > discussion a > > > > > > few weeks ago. We all agreed that our position is to > > fully patch > > > > > > MetaFrame with the latest Citrix service pack and hotfixes. > > > > > We don't > > > > > > take this stance with Microsoft operating systems, however. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:52 AM > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know, per Citrix, that unless you see an issue, that > > > > > is noted > > > > > > in a patch, to not apply the patch. Citrix SE's have made > > > > > it clear to > > > > > > not apply hotfixes, just because they are available. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:48 AM > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a firm believer in proactive patching. Patches are > > > issued to > > > > > > correct flaws in the code, so I always prefer to have code > > > > > that is as > > > > > > bug free as possible, rather than wait to encounter the > > > > problem and > > > > > > find the fix. If you had had all the Citrix patches > > > > applied to your > > > > > > server(s), you wouldn't have seen the issue or had to > > > > deal with the > > > > > > problem at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 6:09 AM > > > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [THIN] Hotfixes... > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to an apparent zone communication issue, I finally > > > > > called Citrix > > > > > > Tech support. > > > > > > That was Thurs. night. I then called them back on Mon. > > > morning. > > > > > > They suggested, first thing, hotfixes 126, 119 and 082. > > > > > How does the > > > > > > group feel about these fixes? Any thoughts at all are > > > > appreciated. > > *********************************************** > This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are > intended for the above named recipient only. 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