Steve, This is just due diligence. We have already calculated the network-side increased bandwidth utilization through packet captures. We saw 500-800% increased packets using the new development over the old. Now we need to see what effect this app has under load on the back-end, both the MF servers and the DB servers. We are already planning to do the load testing manually by involving 70-100 of our IT and corporate staff, but I was hoping that there might be some automated tool to help. Regarding enhancements on the client and/or server-side to justify upgrades, we need the hard numbers. It's not enough to point out to management that this is just a bad idea and painful to the users; they need to see the hard numbers and that's the direction toward which we are heading. When it's all said and done, we may indeed upgrade to PS4 or even Provision's PMF. But that would be in conjunction with any available mods to the code to minimize animation and bandwidth utilization. We are hoping that the cumulative effort may result in an acceptable product for the end users. That still remains to be seen... Thanks, rob ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:35 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Flash/Flex Load Testing Rob, I realize you have heard this already and that you won't like this response, but you should not expect a very good result using a rich Flash application on Metaframe XP. If you do not have any load simulator you should be able to do it by hitting one server manually with some number of sessions and extrapolating out the results. If you were using PS4 you would get better multi-media performance and you would the CPU optimization which would keep each session at a max of about 10-12% of overall CPU. I do not know how Flash affects CPU but you may need to watch this, if it grabs 100% for each session you wont have any native tools to prevent that. Regards, Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Slayden Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:34 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Flash/Flex Load Testing Another Flash 9/Adobe Flex-related question. I know Flash in MetaFrame is a bad idea, but changing it is not an option. What we need to do is loadtest it and it appears that there aren't any options available to us for automated loadtesting via user scripts, according to our outsourced loadtesting expert. Does anyone know of any way that we might loadtest Flash 9/Adobe Flex for a web-based application running over Citrix MF XP 1.0 FR3/SP4 on Window Server 2003? Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks, rob