[THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:38:39 -0700
We have played with this as well. I think that while Clear Cube and HP are
putting together a very interesting solution, I would ask why not just load
XP pro on existing blades (i.e. RLX) and use a recent CE.NET thin client
device. This would provide everything you need for most scenarios and use
the existing IP network and thin client management tools.
I think the main benefit is what you listed as the perception by a user that
they have their OWN PC. Of course there are applications that run best on a
standalone PC. In the end, I think this really is about a person having what
they FEEL is their own computer. Heck if we do this for a while, we could
then start telling people they have their own computer even when they don't
!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:30 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I don't know. It's a cool idea from a technology point of view BUT. I mean
what it really is is a SINGLE USER TERMINAL SERVER ... that is where the
windows XP remote control technology came from anyway.
I mean in most cases if a customer is looking to consolidate their PCs into
the terminal server arena (the closet the server room etc) there are several
common reasons to leave the PC on the desktop Some technical some not:
1. Non-multiuser apps
2. Video intensive apps like Video streaming (that even when done via Citrix
and works ok it kills the network because the Citrix traffic that just got
FAT is not multi-cast but normal video could be) 3. processor intensive
applications like CAD etc (also video intensive I
know)
4. Users Want a "PC" on their desktop not a "terminal", need that floppy
driver or CD and sound etc. 5. The feeling of taking something away from the
user. Etc.
Anyway out of those 5 only two would be successful as a replacement for
terminal server (Processor intensive and non multiuser apps). The others
still leave the same problems terminal servers have. Video transmission (no
longer multicast) and run through RDP or a look alike protocol, No PC on the
desktop and instead a Terminal . and the users wind up with a feeling they
had something taken away. And now you have a bunch of mini-me terminal
servers you have to manage.
Anyway I see it as another piece in the tool box that may be a pretty small
niche at least for a few years. I guess my thoughts are that the entire
industry is looking at consolidation and using technology to fully utilize
hardware resources (like VMWARE, terminal server/Citrix
etc.) instead of have 20 1 ghz processors at 15% utilization all day they
want fewer procs and let them share time (let them eat cake as it
were)
</RANT>
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:10 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Blade Desktops??
Check this out...it's got a ways to go, but could be an interesting
technology, particularly for development/support/QA. From
http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1003_3-5102943.html?part=msn-cnet&subj=cdf&;
tag=
mymsn:
Hewlett-Packard will try to take the desktop off the desk later this month,
when it formally unveils the Consolidated Client Infrastructure, its latest
blade computing system for corporations.
Under CCI, a user's data and software runs on a centrally managed rack of
blade computers and storage devices. Individuals can use handhelds,
keyboards, terminals or even PCs and notebooks to tap into their data.
The system differs from terminal, or thin client, systems in that all users
work on full-fledged Windows XP PCs that are assigned to them--the computers
just happen to be in a closet. In terminal systems, users are working on a
sliver of server space.
Consolidating computing power in this manner can reduce information
technology management costs, according to advocates, and can also make it a
lot easier to get individuals back online if a PC crashes.
Austin, Texas-based start-up ClearCube Technology came out with the first
bladed desktop systems. The company has installed bladed desktop systems at
financial institutions and at some military installations. IBM has resold
some ClearCube systems, but HP is the first major manufacturer to develop
and market its own blade-based desktop system. To date, the blade concept
has been mostly used to squeeze servers and communication equipment more
efficiently into racks.
HP's interest in bladed desktops first came to light in May. The company is
expected to discuss CCI at Comdex, the annual computing trade show that
begins Nov. 16 in Las Vegas. HP sent out a statement that the company will
discuss there under nondisclosure agreements "a new business computing model
that offers customers greater manageability, flexibility and long-term cost
savings."
HP could not be reached for comment. Typically, the company does not comment
on unannounced products.
Although HP is expected to tout that CCI can cut desktop management costs by
up to 50 percent, the hardware isn't cheap. A blade with a 1GHz Intel
Pentium M processor and a hard drive will cost about $2,000, according to
sources. A blade that has a 1.8GHz Efficeon Transmeta processor will cost
$1,000.
To access data, HP is recommending that corporations adopt HP terminals,
which also contain Transmeta processors.
Jennifer
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