[THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
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- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:03:07 -0600
I mean all the points they just brought up are bennies of TS too. I am not
saying it wont have a place. BUT Video sucks over thin client protocols and
when it doesn't it turns a potential multicast stream into unicast stream. Then
beyond that you are still managing the desktops. Anyway like anything else it
will have a place.
Ron Oglesby
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lyne [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:48 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
What about security concerns from man in the middle attacks. Couldn't someone
capture keyboard traffic and get passwords?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kenzig http://thethin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 10:42 a.m.
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I know with the clearcube device you can have up to four users connected to
one blade. Does that sweeten the pot?
What if they were blade thin clients?? Wouldn't that make an IT managers
life a whole lot easier to have all of the guts in the data center?
Backups are made easier also.
Desktops can still have a floppy or cd drive local if necessary as I
understand it.
If you are only sending kb/screen over the network is there that much
concern about bandwidth? This is an ideal situation I belive just as ICA is.
Security concerns can be minimized through network device scanning. Data can
be more secured. (Someone can't walk off with a whole drives worth of data
if it is locked in the computer center)
There are a lot more benefits here than meets the eye. It is a very
compelling technology but basically we are going back to the old VMS/HP 3000
days only graphical. If it worked then....
JK
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:30 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I don't know. It's a cool idea from a technology point of view BUT. I
mean what it really is is a SINGLE USER TERMINAL SERVER ... that is
where the windows XP remote control technology came from anyway.
I mean in most cases if a customer is looking to consolidate their PCs
into the terminal server arena (the closet the server room etc) there
are several common reasons to leave the PC on the desktop Some technical
some not:
1. Non-multiuser apps
2. Video intensive apps like Video streaming (that even when done via
Citrix and works ok it kills the network because the Citrix traffic that
just got FAT is not multi-cast but normal video could be)
3. processor intensive applications like CAD etc (also video intensive I
know)
4. Users Want a "PC" on their desktop not a "terminal", need that floppy
driver or CD and sound etc.
5. The feeling of taking something away from the user. Etc.
Anyway out of those 5 only two would be successful as a replacement for
terminal server (Processor intensive and non multiuser apps). The others
still leave the same problems terminal servers have. Video transmission
(no longer multicast) and run through RDP or a look alike protocol, No
PC on the desktop and instead a Terminal . and the users wind up with a
feeling they had something taken away. And now you have a bunch of
mini-me terminal servers you have to manage.
Anyway I see it as another piece in the tool box that may be a pretty
small niche at least for a few years.
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