[THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
- From: "Ron Oglesby" <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:22:10 -0600
No there is an idea I can get behind. They would have to reduce the Seat
licenses for that. but it would be a cool offering.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:21 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
Now if Citrix would implement Metaframe on Windows XP Pro, you could publish
a resource intensive app from it's own blade workstation into the farm!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:18 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
Exactly. Which is why I pointed out the following in the initial
conversation:
>3. processor intensive applications like CAD etc (also video intensive
>I
>know)
This goes for any resource intensive applications (like development apps,
compilers etc.)
All I was saying is that a "normal user" with office, some term em, maybe
JDE and a couple of other apps doesn't really need a PC in a blade with a
terminal on their desk when they are really only using a fraction of the
horse power already available to them. It just makes more sense for these
normal users and their normal applications to share resources on a server.
I just think the blade desktops will me more of an exception or a tool for
those types of apps you just mentioned.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:57 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
Here's my thing though - When you have people who require the horse power
and speed to do code review, optimization, and generation - a shared
application server won't cut it. We tried this situation in the past, and
it brought the entire server to it's knees. We were unsuccessful in getting
Rational Rose, Visual Studio and other apps to play nicely together on a
terminal server. Sure, it would work for 2 or 3 users, but no one else
could do anything. So developers always got their own hardware. But these
days you have a single developer working on multiple projects, maybe even
multiple generations, and require the supporting environments. Jeez - most
of our support people have 3 computers to support different OS's that our
software runs on. VMWare is a good solution, but it's slow and can
interfere with results, as I found trying to test Siebel Development. That's
where I think blade desktop technology is going to ROCK!
Jennifer
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 14:03
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I mean all the points they just brought up are bennies of TS too. I am not
saying it wont have a place. BUT Video sucks over thin client protocols and
when it doesn't it turns a potential multicast stream into unicast stream.
Then beyond that you are still managing the desktops. Anyway like anything
else it will have a place.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lyne [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:48 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
What about security concerns from man in the middle attacks. Couldn't
someone capture keyboard traffic and get passwords?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kenzig http://thethin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 10:42 a.m.
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I know with the clearcube device you can have up to four users connected to
one blade. Does that sweeten the pot?
What if they were blade thin clients?? Wouldn't that make an IT managers
life a whole lot easier to have all of the guts in the data center?
Backups are made easier also.
Desktops can still have a floppy or cd drive local if necessary as I
understand it.
If you are only sending kb/screen over the network is there that much
concern about bandwidth? This is an ideal situation I belive just as ICA is.
Security concerns can be minimized through network device scanning. Data can
be more secured. (Someone can't walk off with a whole drives worth of data
if it is locked in the computer center)
There are a lot more benefits here than meets the eye. It is a very
compelling technology but basically we are going back to the old VMS/HP 3000
days only graphical. If it worked then....
JK
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:30 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Blade Desktops??
I don't know. It's a cool idea from a technology point of view BUT. I mean
what it really is is a SINGLE USER TERMINAL SERVER ... that is where the
windows XP remote control technology came from anyway.
I mean in most cases if a customer is looking to consolidate their PCs into
the terminal server arena (the closet the server room etc) there are several
common reasons to leave the PC on the desktop Some technical some not:
1. Non-multiuser apps
2. Video intensive apps like Video streaming (that even when done via Citrix
and works ok it kills the network because the Citrix traffic that just got
FAT is not multi-cast but normal video could be) 3. processor intensive
applications like CAD etc (also video intensive I
know)
4. Users Want a "PC" on their desktop not a "terminal", need that floppy
driver or CD and sound etc. 5. The feeling of taking something away from the
user. Etc.
Anyway out of those 5 only two would be successful as a replacement for
terminal server (Processor intensive and non multiuser apps). The others
still leave the same problems terminal servers have. Video transmission (no
longer multicast) and run through RDP or a look alike protocol, No PC on the
desktop and instead a Terminal . and the users wind up with a feeling they
had something taken away. And now you have a bunch of mini-me terminal
servers you have to manage.
Anyway I see it as another piece in the tool box that may be a pretty small
niche at least for a few years.
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