As a birding listserv owner myself (Wisconsin Birding Network - WISBIRDN) I've been following this thread with some interest. A few observations based on my experience as a birder and a listserv owner: Prior to the Internet as we know it today, birders kept in touch via a local club or through a loose organization of like-minded birding friends by spreading relevant bird information by word of mouth. To get the word out to as many birders as possible, some organizations started and maintained a birding telephone hot line with a recorded messages (usually changed weekly) about unusual or rare bird sightings. The upside to a telephone hotline was that more birders knew or learned about unusual sightings. The downside was that the information was dated, and/or, accessing the information might require a long distance call. Then technology took an impressive leap forward. First there was the advent of personal computers followed by the creation of listservs. Information flowed much more quickly as the need for a telephone hotline decreased. For a time both listservs and telephone hotlines existed but as more and more birders acquired personal computers, the telephone hotline was deemed antiquated. Still, I recall many heated discussions about the demise of telephone hotlines…in many ways similar to what's being debated at the present with regard to listservs and Facebook. Now there are smartphones. Twitter. Instant messaging. Texting. Video chats. All useful technologies but for the most part these technologies are used to instantly alert birders about a rare or unusual sighting. But what do these technologies not accomplish? They don't foster or provide a venue for comments and discussion about places to bird, places to eat while birding, birding books, tips on bird IDs, birding equipment and software, and most importantly, encouraging novice birders with thoughtful and varied conversations about birds and birding in general. Debates about inclusiveness, birding ethics, and a whole host of other hot button topics will continue regardless of which technology is used to debate them. In this day and age any birder who doesn't possess some working knowledge of multiple technologies, just like those who never got beyond telephone hotlines, will lose out. Likewise, those birders who narrow their birding by demanding only rare bird alerts will lose as well. To sum up, an individual birder's preference of a specific technology is what will eventually determine whether a listserv or Facebook - or some future technology - will dominate or even survive. As a listserv owner and long time user, there are certain benefits to a listserv that Facebook lacks. And Facebook, especially with its convenience of posting photos, has an edge. But I have no illusions that listservs will always rule supreme. What it will boil down to is which technology a majority of Texas birders will feel most comfortable using…and that's where the others will follow. Cheers, Tom Sykes dhandler68@xxxxxxxxx (currently in Missiion, TX) Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner