[texbirds] Re: Reporting locations of rare sightings
- From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Brady Surber <supersurber@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:53:23 -0500
Brady...A rancher down in Jim Hogg county invited me to spend time on his
place a couple of years ago after less than 20 min.s of conversation on
birds and wildlife...Almost even implored me to...Went to the trouble of
even writing down his name and cell number. I was working down there at
the time so that winter, I was actually wanting to go but the cell number
he gave me did not work....Ranchers in S. Texas are not always so obliging
so such opportunities are pretty rare I will imagine give all the foot
traffic from Mexico cutting thru properties...I would still do it
though...He said had a 4 acre lake that really peaked my interest. You are
right on what you say.
B
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Brush Freeman
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http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/
Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Brady Surber <supersurber@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Where you are in the state plays a big role in how the locals will
> welcome you. In the vast open spans of "Cattle country, Texas" Cattle
> wrangling is still a real problem. So staring over a pasture with
> livestock present can garner some negative attention. BUT, Always be
> sure to be polite and courteous when land owners or sheriffs question
> you and act happy to share what your seeing. They(especially the land
> owners) are frequently interested in the wildlife on their property and
> many will let you on their property if asked politely and still yet many
> will invite you.
> There are countless times complete strangers
> have become excited when I pointed out a lark sparrow and explained the
> the"parrot" in the top of the mesquite tree is a Painted Bunting and as
> a result invited me to look around their property and make myself at
> home. Once a fellow even invited a friend and I to stay in his house
> while he and his little girl drove to San Antonio for a family
> emergency! I met the guy 10 minutes earlier.
>
> Anyway during deer season stay visible and identifiable as a human and be
> mindful about the presence of Livestock.
>
> Good birdin'
>
> Brady Surber
> Vernon, TX
>
> > Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 05:59:28 -0700
> > From: custom_heirlooms@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [texbirds] Re: Reporting locations of rare sightings
> > To: texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > I guess I've been fortunate not to have ever experienced the negative
> things people are speaking of here when birds are the subject. However, I
> have never traveled to those areas when a rare bird was located. I did see
> from a distance a black bear make her opinion known to someone that was
> getting too close to her cub. I have always found the photographers very
> nice and helpful, even nudging me when I'm faced the other direction so I
> can see the bird too or let us look through their camera to see better.
> They've always given me a run down of what has been seen that day and
> they've never minded me crouching down in front of their camera so we can
> all see.
> > Unless I've planned a trip I've stayed on the UTC, which this list is
> very helpful in my planning of trips having a location or just a town name,
> I don't mind the search at all. That is what it's about. Just knowing so
> I can study the species I'm looking for so maybe I might find something on
> my wish list. I know the day the news station was at the Godwit in
> Brazoria Co and many other days (heard from other locals) was a lot of
> people there and from a perspective of someone who has a place very close
> to that location there was only positive remarks from the locals and many
> enjoyed the extra perks from so many birders in the area spending money on
> food.
> >
> > When the long tailed duck was at San Jacinto monument, we spent all day
> there on a Saturday and we only saw 1 other car of birders the whole day.
> The farthest I have traveled to see a rare bird was the swans over at High
> Island, there again only handful of cars of birders to see. At gas
> sometimes near $4 a gallon I appreciated the bird tip and enjoyed the day
> there. Even the rare bird that was seen at the Saltwater Fish Hacheries,
> when the invite was made my mom and I went to visit. I hadn't been there
> since the kids were little. We didn't see it but enjoyed the other birds
> there. Now it's a frequent stop for me because everyone was so nice and I
> drop my donation in their box and visit the gift store. There are benefits
> to the annoying people wanting to see a bird. Perhaps in this area of Texas
> there aren't as many people interested in birding so the hoards of people
> don't have the effect like other areas of Texas? I don't know.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jim Sinclair <jim.sinclair@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:39 AM
> > Subject: [texbirds] Re: Reporting locations of rare sightings
> >
> >
> > My goodness! What a strong reaction I received privately. Fortunately,
> > most were quite positive. But there are certainly some hateful folks on
> > this listserv.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Jim Sinclair <jim.sinclair@xxxxxxxxx
> >wrote:
> >
> > > I am not speaking for Mark (I have never even met him), and I have no
> back
> > > channel information regarding this particular issue of the Elegant Tern
> > > location.
> > >
> > > I fail to understand why some people seem to think that another birder
> has
> > > an obligation to publicly reveal the location of any particular
> sighting.
> > >
> > > There are a number of reasons why a location would not be revealed, and
> > > there is no obligation to even give a reason. The following list is
> by no
> > > means complete, but may help some folks better understand.
> > >
> > > The location is on private property, and the owner does not wish to
> have
> > > the location revealed, even if the bird can be seen from publicly
> > > accessible areas. The owner may wish to not be bombarded with phone
> calls
> > > and emails wanting to know if the bird is still there.
> > >
> > > The location is on public property, but in a vulnerable area where too
> > > much 'traffic' would probably drive it away. This is a biggie. There
> are
> > > numerous stories about how too much pressure on a localized area has
> driven
> > > the target bird away.
> > >
> > > Photographers, in particular, are often the biggest offenders in this
> > > category. Although most photographers are courteous, there are a few
> that
> > > simply MUST get a totally unobscured view from a close enough distance
> to
> > > photograph the lice on the bill - even when it means cutting away newly
> > > planted vegetation at Paradise Pond (crossing behind the yellow tape
> to do
> > > so), or running in front of everyone else to photograph the Purple
> > > Sandpiper, chasing it away, to never be seen again.
> > >
> > > I would also offer that it pay to be friendly and courteous with
> > > everyone. I have been privileged on occasion to be invited to come
> observe
> > > a bird on private property when that sighting was not otherwise
> reported
> > > until well after the fact. And I am not typically a rarity chaser.
> > >
> > > Conversely, through the years I have had the pleasure of guiding
> several
> > > hard core listers to pursue their particular target species, either for
> > > lifers or big year efforts. All but one of those experiences were
> quite
> > > positive and enjoyable.
> > >
> > > Bottom line: The discourteous actions of a very few do, indeed,
> influence
> > > whether sighting locations are reported.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jim Sinclair (TX-ESA)
> > > TOS Life Member
> > > Kingsville, TX
> > >
> > > "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
> > > thinking we were at when we created them." - Albert Einstein
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Sinclair (TX-ESA)
> > TOS Life Member
> > Kingsville, TX
> >
> > "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
> > thinking we were at when we created them." - Albert Einstein
> >
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