[TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
- From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:39:20 -0400
Jerry;
I presume these are only available in the smaller values too.
Too bad we have the technology, but won't use it. But I guess if none of
this stuff broke down, we would be in a different business.
-Ed-
Ed Gaidies
Tel-Tek Electronics
Ontario-Canada
teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> Solid tantalum caps have a stable value, low DF, low ESR, low inductance,
> low leakage, dont mind heat, no built-in end of life, no liquid to leak
out,
> high price. With such a massive disadvantage over aluminum electrolytics,
> its no wonder they are not much used, except in aircraft, weapons,
> sattelites, etc. Wouldnt be much for techs to do if it wasnt for wet
> aluminum electrolytics and lightning.
> Jerry Silverman
> Greentron Inc
> 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609
> 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080
> greentron@xxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leonard Caillouet <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:19 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
>
>
> > I am not sure what you mean by "I have the floor". Everyone's input
> should
> > be welcome. If you are commenting on my tendency to run on about
topics,
> > well, I am guilty as charged. I was simply trying to clarify who "they"
> are
> > and understand the rationale. It seems clear to me, in theory, that a
> > tantalum cap should be more stable, but in practice electrolytics, aside
> > from the batches of bad caps that we have all seen, last pretty well
> through
> > the life of most consumer electronics. If there is a compelling reason
to
> > switch cap types I'd like to know about it. The question is whether the
> > advantages outweigh the costs. Also, as I mentioned before, there were
> > batches of bad tantalum caps that probably colored the opinion of many
> > regarding their use.
> >
> > That was the time period where I was out of the repair business for a
few
> > years teaching, so I never would have seen that service bulletin. I'll
> look
> > for it. I like to know as much as possible about the sets that I
service
> > and apparently this is one that I missed.
> >
> > Who ever said anything about changing all of the electrolytics in
> anything?
> > It has become our practice on some Mitsubishi products from this era,
this
> > set included (and the v11 & v12 RPTV chassis) to check all of the
> > electrolytics because they obviously had batches of caps made by
Nichicon,
> > Rubycon, and SME during this period that did not last as they should.
> These
> > sets have proven to be a real problem for recalls if you don't get all
of
> > the leaky caps. We do not change caps that do not show some form of
> defect,
> > but check them all for ESR, value, and dc leakage in circuit, inspect
them
> > for evidence of electrolyte leakage, visually and with the "smell" test
by
> > resoldering the leads. If you don't on many of these sets you are going
> to
> > miss problems about to happen and the set will be back, sometimes with
> very
> > strange problems.
> >
> > As for Mitsubishi products in general, they seem to have to learn the
> lesson
> > repeatedly to stick with what they do well. They have been into all of
> the
> > electronics types you mentioned and have cut back to just big screen TV
in
> > the US. Many of their efforts in other areas were a disaster. Some
were
> > actually pretty good. Their RPTVs are still among the best IMO and as a
> > manufacturer they have the best customer relations of any of the
companies
> > that I deal with.
> >
> > Leonard Caillouet
> > Electronics World
> > Gainesville, FL
> > 352-332-5608
> > 352-332-5668 fax
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:46 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> >
> >
> > > Leonard;
> > > You have the floor...I only mentioned that Back around 94-95
Mitsubishi
> > > recommended changing the 1uf/35 volts with a tantalum capacitor. One
of
> > > their few Service Bulletins they seem to put out. I can dig it up if
> need
> > > be.
> > > I have no idea, and will not try to state why, since I do not do
> > enough
> > > of them to waste my time. It just seems to me that electrolytic were
not
> > one
> > > of Mitsubishi's high points, either by circuit design, or just lousy
> > > electrolytic.
> > > Every manufacturer seems to have a breakdown rate on these, and
> > probably
> > > 105 deg. caps will not change this. At least most of us have learned,
> with
> > > time and experience, what the week points are...but never have I seen
a
> > > product, that a Technician recommends to change all "electrolytics".
> > > Mitsubishi has left Canada...as far as Electronics...hopefully
their
> > > cars do not display the same symptoms at someone elses expense...could
> be
> > > more life threatning.
> > > BTW..if you have been doing Mitsubishi Electronics for a while, do
> you
> > > remember their Car Audio Products, Home Stereos, and Portable Audio
> > > Products...I rest my case.
> > > Technology was great as far as VCR's were concerned. I went thru
all
> > > their products here because we had the Picture Tube plant in our town,
> and
> > > Employees bought the product at Employee's Discounts, so I saw them
all.
> > > I was the Warranty Depot.
> > >
> > > -Ed-
> > > Ed Gaidies
> > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > Ontario-Canada
> > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:20 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm confused. Who is recommending replacing electrolytics with
> Tantalum
> > > > caps? I have not heard this from Mits. Did I miss something? We
do
> > > these
> > > > sets frequently and have to change lots of caps, but never changed
the
> > > type.
> > > > Typically tantalum caps should maintain a more stable capacitance
and
> > ESR
> > > > over time where electrolytics do degrade, so there should be nothing
> > wrong
> > > > with replacing an electrolytic with a tantalum cap, but I have never
> > seen
> > > a
> > > > recommendation to do so. In fact, as I understand it is getting
> harder
> > to
> > > > get tantalum caps and manufacturers are pushing the ceramic
technology
> > for
> > > > use as replacements in SMDs. Seems unnecessary to me.
> > > >
> > > > I agree, I would not replace a tantalum with an electrolytic,
although
> > it
> > > > would likely work fine in the short term, maybe even over time. In
> > fact,
> > > > since the runs of bad tantalum caps in the 80s I have had very few
of
> > them
> > > > fail at all. I keep a bin of assorted tantalum caps from scrappers
in
> > > case
> > > > I need one, but can't remember the last time I did.
> > > >
> > > > The CK3531 is one of the sets, BTW, that we will no longer service
> > unless
> > > we
> > > > test ALL of the electrolytics. We have seen to many recalls when
> > > repairing
> > > > only the immediate problems. Typically we find one or two dozen
leaky
> > and
> > > > high ESR electrolytics in these sets.
> > > >
> > > > Leonard Caillouet
> > > > Electronics World
> > > > Gainesville, FL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:11 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Tony...
> > > > > In vertical circuits (timing) they even reccomend to change the
> > > > > electrolytics(1 to 2.2 ufd) with tantalums..so you are sort of
> > > > backtracking.
> > > > > Electrolytics will eventually fail, although I can not tell you
why,
> > or
> > > > the
> > > > > chemical makeup of the tantelums.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "tony saracco" <tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:28 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > terry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what type of problem do you see if the 1uf 50v tant. cap is
> replaced
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > standard 1uf lytic. I have replaced many and never really had
any
> > > > > problems.
> > > > > > Just curious.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tony Saracco
> > > > > > TCS ELECTRONICS
> > > > > > Elgin , IL 60120
> > > > > > 847-695-1928
> > > > > > tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Terry H." <tvdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:09 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're going to find two 100/35volt caps that need changing as
> > well
> > > as
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 1uf/50volt tantalum that should always be changed while you're
> in
> > > > there.
> > > > > > > They might be using a small purple 'OSCON' cap that looks like
a
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > electrolytic, but needs to be replaced with a tantalum or the
> > exact.
> > > > > Hard
> > > > > > > lesson if you use a standard electrolytic in it's place.
> > > > > > > Terry H.
> > > > > > > The TV Shop
> > > > > > > Gonzales, Tx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:37 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ok, thanks
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
> > > > > > > > Mesa Az
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:35 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Don't have the exact #'s But find the 24V line off the
> flyback
> > > and
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > filter cap.
> > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:32 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, but have worked on very few mitsubishi tv's, my
> > expertise
> > > > is
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > video cameras, have been out of tv's for a long time,
im
> > sure
> > > > ill
> > > > > > > > figure
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > out, was just hoping to get some help to save time
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You're not a tech are you?
> > > > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:20 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me what the caps are? c??? Dont have a
> > > > schematic,
> > > > > > im
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > what cap it is your talking about
> > > > > > > > > > > > ED
> > > > > > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mesa AZ
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Replace also the B+ cap for the vertical off the
> > > flyback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:01 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This tv has retrace lines and vertical foldover
at
> > the
> > > > top
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > picture
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the first 2 or 3 min , after warm is ok. I
dont
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > > > > shematic
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > set, im sure its a cap, anyone had this problem
that
> > can
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > caps
> > > > > > > > > > > > > usually fail? thx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
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> > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login
> Info?".
> > > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [Scanned by AwesomeNet Anti-Virus]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > [Scanned by AwesomeNet Anti-Virus]
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> > > > >
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> >
>
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> > > > > > *
> > > > > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > > > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login
Info?".
> > > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > *
> > > > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > *
> > > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > *
> > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > Lost Password:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > > > Email Archives:
> > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > *
> > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > Lost Password:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > > Email Archives:
> > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> *
> > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > The Tech Address Book:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > Lost Password:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > Email Archives:
> > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
>
>
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*
> Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> http://sell.tech-assist.org
> The Tech Address Book:
> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> Lost Password:
> http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> Email Archives:
> //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
*****************************************************************************
Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
http://sell.tech-assist.org
The Tech Address Book:
http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
Lost Password:
http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?".
Email Archives:
//www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
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