[TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
- From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:56:50 -0400
Ken;
My day off tomorrow, I will do some research, if something comes to
light, I'll post it. As of now...I draw a blank. Where is Wayne V. when we
need to be politically correct. ;-)
-Ed-
Ed Gaidies
Tel-Tek Electronics
Ontario-Canada
teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:30 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> Techs,
>
> Tantalum capacitors are fairly rare and, in my experience, rarely fail.
> The question I have is why is a tantalum cap used? Also, can one be
> replaced by a regular electrolytic? From my memory, tantalum caps are
> smaller and more stable. That's all I remember. Size, at least in TV's,
> is rarely as issue. Stability must be the issue, since I only remember
> ever seeing them in timing circuits.
>
> This may seem academic to many on this list, but, to me, it is important.
> If our only objective is to get the product out the door, get our money,
> and let the marbles roll, then it doesn't matter at all. If, on the
> other hand, we view ourselves as professionals, we replace defective
> parts including those READY to cause problems, (i.e. the many leaking
> caps in Mitsubishi or Hitachi TV's, and Sony or Sharp camcorders) and
> replace those parts with equal or superior parts, so there is a
> reasonable expectation of no customer dissatisfaction.
>
> I look forward to those knowledgeable to respond.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Ken Smith
> Gulf Technical Services
> 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway
> Gulf Breeze, FL 32563
> 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax)
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:36:10 -0400 "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> writes:
> > Leonard;
> > As far as make up of Capacitors, Chemical, or Electronic, I will not
> > comment. I follow the rules of reason. Maybe a subject to discuss
> > with Wayne
> > V.
> > Problem with some electrolytic, you really don't suspect them,
> > till you
> > remove them, by the "fishy" smell, or Leakage. Some are noticeable
> > to leak
> > thru on the board.
> > This is not a subject to explore to far...and most of us know
> > it. I have
> > been with it since 63..and we learn something new each day. When we
> > stop
> > learning..may be time to pack it up. I will have a look and see if I
> > can
> > find the Tantulum modification, I'll send it along.
> > I appreciate your input..and keep in touch.
> >
> > -Ed-
> > Ed Gaidies
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 9:19 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> >
> >
> > > I am not sure what you mean by "I have the floor". Everyone's
> > input
> > should
> > > be welcome. If you are commenting on my tendency to run on about
> > topics,
> > > well, I am guilty as charged. I was simply trying to clarify who
> > "they"
> > are
> > > and understand the rationale. It seems clear to me, in theory,
> > that a
> > > tantalum cap should be more stable, but in practice electrolytics,
> > aside
> > > from the batches of bad caps that we have all seen, last pretty
> > well
> > through
> > > the life of most consumer electronics. If there is a compelling
> > reason to
> > > switch cap types I'd like to know about it. The question is
> > whether the
> > > advantages outweigh the costs. Also, as I mentioned before, there
> > were
> > > batches of bad tantalum caps that probably colored the opinion of
> > many
> > > regarding their use.
> > >
> > > That was the time period where I was out of the repair business
> > for a few
> > > years teaching, so I never would have seen that service bulletin.
> > I'll
> > look
> > > for it. I like to know as much as possible about the sets that I
> > service
> > > and apparently this is one that I missed.
> > >
> > > Who ever said anything about changing all of the electrolytics in
> > anything?
> > > It has become our practice on some Mitsubishi products from this
> > era, this
> > > set included (and the v11 & v12 RPTV chassis) to check all of the
> > > electrolytics because they obviously had batches of caps made by
> > Nichicon,
> > > Rubycon, and SME during this period that did not last as they
> > should.
> > These
> > > sets have proven to be a real problem for recalls if you don't get
> > all of
> > > the leaky caps. We do not change caps that do not show some form
> > of
> > defect,
> > > but check them all for ESR, value, and dc leakage in circuit,
> > inspect them
> > > for evidence of electrolyte leakage, visually and with the "smell"
> > test by
> > > resoldering the leads. If you don't on many of these sets you are
> > going
> > to
> > > miss problems about to happen and the set will be back, sometimes
> > with
> > very
> > > strange problems.
> > >
> > > As for Mitsubishi products in general, they seem to have to learn
> > the
> > lesson
> > > repeatedly to stick with what they do well. They have been into
> > all of
> > the
> > > electronics types you mentioned and have cut back to just big
> > screen TV in
> > > the US. Many of their efforts in other areas were a disaster.
> > Some were
> > > actually pretty good. Their RPTVs are still among the best IMO
> > and as a
> > > manufacturer they have the best customer relations of any of the
> > companies
> > > that I deal with.
> > >
> > > Leonard Caillouet
> > > Electronics World
> > > Gainesville, FL
> > > 352-332-5608
> > > 352-332-5668 fax
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:46 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > >
> > >
> > > > Leonard;
> > > > You have the floor...I only mentioned that Back around 94-95
> > Mitsubishi
> > > > recommended changing the 1uf/35 volts with a tantalum capacitor.
> > One of
> > > > their few Service Bulletins they seem to put out. I can dig it
> > up if
> > need
> > > > be.
> > > > I have no idea, and will not try to state why, since I do
> > not do
> > > enough
> > > > of them to waste my time. It just seems to me that electrolytic
> > were not
> > > one
> > > > of Mitsubishi's high points, either by circuit design, or just
> > lousy
> > > > electrolytic.
> > > > Every manufacturer seems to have a breakdown rate on these,
> > and
> > > probably
> > > > 105 deg. caps will not change this. At least most of us have
> > learned,
> > with
> > > > time and experience, what the week points are...but never have I
> > seen a
> > > > product, that a Technician recommends to change all
> > "electrolytics".
> > > > Mitsubishi has left Canada...as far as
> > Electronics...hopefully their
> > > > cars do not display the same symptoms at someone elses
> > expense...could
> > be
> > > > more life threatning.
> > > > BTW..if you have been doing Mitsubishi Electronics for a
> > while, do
> > you
> > > > remember their Car Audio Products, Home Stereos, and Portable
> > Audio
> > > > Products...I rest my case.
> > > > Technology was great as far as VCR's were concerned. I went
> > thru all
> > > > their products here because we had the Picture Tube plant in our
> > town,
> > and
> > > > Employees bought the product at Employee's Discounts, so I saw
> > them all.
> > > > I was the Warranty Depot.
> > > >
> > > > -Ed-
> > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:20 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm confused. Who is recommending replacing electrolytics with
> > Tantalum
> > > > > caps? I have not heard this from Mits. Did I miss something?
> > We do
> > > > these
> > > > > sets frequently and have to change lots of caps, but never
> > changed the
> > > > type.
> > > > > Typically tantalum caps should maintain a more stable
> > capacitance and
> > > ESR
> > > > > over time where electrolytics do degrade, so there should be
> > nothing
> > > wrong
> > > > > with replacing an electrolytic with a tantalum cap, but I have
> > never
> > > seen
> > > > a
> > > > > recommendation to do so. In fact, as I understand it is
> > getting
> > harder
> > > to
> > > > > get tantalum caps and manufacturers are pushing the ceramic
> > technology
> > > for
> > > > > use as replacements in SMDs. Seems unnecessary to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree, I would not replace a tantalum with an electrolytic,
> > although
> > > it
> > > > > would likely work fine in the short term, maybe even over
> > time. In
> > > fact,
> > > > > since the runs of bad tantalum caps in the 80s I have had very
> > few of
> > > them
> > > > > fail at all. I keep a bin of assorted tantalum caps from
> > scrappers in
> > > > case
> > > > > I need one, but can't remember the last time I did.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CK3531 is one of the sets, BTW, that we will no longer
> > service
> > > unless
> > > > we
> > > > > test ALL of the electrolytics. We have seen to many recalls
> > when
> > > > repairing
> > > > > only the immediate problems. Typically we find one or two
> > dozen leaky
> > > and
> > > > > high ESR electrolytics in these sets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leonard Caillouet
> > > > > Electronics World
> > > > > Gainesville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Teltek3" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 7:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tony...
> > > > > > In vertical circuits (timing) they even reccomend to change
> > the
> > > > > > electrolytics(1 to 2.2 ufd) with tantalums..so you are sort
> > of
> > > > > backtracking.
> > > > > > Electrolytics will eventually fail, although I can not tell
> > you why,
> > > or
> > > > > the
> > > > > > chemical makeup of the tantelums.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ed-
> > > > > > Ed Gaidies
> > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "tony saracco" <tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 3:28 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > terry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what type of problem do you see if the 1uf 50v tant. cap is
> > replaced
> > > > > with
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > standard 1uf lytic. I have replaced many and never really
> > had any
> > > > > > problems.
> > > > > > > Just curious.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Saracco
> > > > > > > TCS ELECTRONICS
> > > > > > > Elgin , IL 60120
> > > > > > > 847-695-1928
> > > > > > > tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Terry H." <tvdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:09 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're going to find two 100/35volt caps that need
> > changing as
> > > well
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 1uf/50volt tantalum that should always be changed while
> > you're
> > in
> > > > > there.
> > > > > > > > They might be using a small purple 'OSCON' cap that
> > looks like a
> > > > > normal
> > > > > > > > electrolytic, but needs to be replaced with a tantalum
> > or the
> > > exact.
> > > > > > Hard
> > > > > > > > lesson if you use a standard electrolytic in it's place.
> > > > > > > > Terry H.
> > > > > > > > The TV Shop
> > > > > > > > Gonzales, Tx
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:37 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ok, thanks
> > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
> > > > > > > > > Mesa Az
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:35 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Don't have the exact #'s But find the 24V line off
> > the
> > flyback
> > > > and
> > > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > filter cap.
> > > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:32 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but have worked on very few mitsubishi tv's,
> > my
> > > expertise
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > video cameras, have been out of tv's for a long
> > time, im
> > > sure
> > > > > ill
> > > > > > > > > figure
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > out, was just hoping to get some help to save time
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:24 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You're not a tech are you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 11:20 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can you tell me what the caps are? c??? Dont
> > have a
> > > > > schematic,
> > > > > > > im
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > > > > > > what cap it is your talking about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ED
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesa AZ
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 7:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Replace also the B+ cap for the vertical off
> > the
> > > > flyback.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > al marquardt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 206 W Main
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ed" <edb3@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:01 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] mitsubishi tv CK3531R
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This tv has retrace lines and vertical
> > foldover at
> > > the
> > > > > top
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > picture
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the first 2 or 3 min , after warm is ok.
> > I dont
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > shematic
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > set, im sure its a cap, anyone had this
> > problem that
> > > can
> > > > > > tell
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > > caps
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > usually fail? thx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Video Pro-Tech
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mesa Az
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