[TCUG] Re: Red light running
- From: "Welsh, Paul" <Paul.Welsh@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:44:35 -0000
This relates to my experience of using pre-timed maximum. But that isn't u=
niversally applicable. I have seen some un-quantified instances of drivers=
treating signalled crossings as zebras if no one is waiting to cross, but =
have never seen any statistical evidence. Nor can I condone red running, c=
hildren can easily be hidden by street furniture and they can run out confi=
dent that they are 'safe'.
PW
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f Of Donal Hodgins
Sent: 01 November 2007 09:31
To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Red light running
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Greetings from Ireland!
This raises an issue which we are interested in on the Emerald Isle.
Again, this may be a daft statement but....
If a gap appears as indicated by Paul, would the signals not gap out
and revert to the pedestrian phase. There would be no red-running at
this time as vehicles after the "gap" would approach either an amber or
red signal in time to stop.
My experience is that in general, if pelicans are "snappy" and revert
to the pedestrian demand when a "gap" appears then there is a limited
amount of red running....And this from a country where red running is an
acceptable past-time - totally wrong and totally dangerous (even without
starting ambers!).
Finally, "snappy" pelicans (if you pardon the pun) reduce delays to all
modes!
Regards
Donal Hodgins
Senior Executive Engineer
Traffic Management Section
Roads Department
Kildare County Council
>>> "Welsh, Paul" <Paul.Welsh@xxxxxxxxxx> 01 November 2007 08:02 >>>
Daft question. =3D20
How many of the instances of 'red running' were false calls, that is
no
one was waiting to cross, because the pedestrian had seen a gap and
already crossed? In other words, is it a case of drivers identifying
that no one was at risk and trying to reduce their delays. Totally
wrong but understandable.
PW
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Subject: [TCUG] Red light running
Sussex Safer Roads Partnership recently carried out a survey at a
pelican=3D20
crossing on the A27 and found that drivers went through on amber or
red
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about 20% of the occasions when the crossing changed for
pedestrians.=3D20
They say they carried out the survey a distance from the crossing and
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not wearing any high vis. jackets. Has anyone out there carried out
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studies or can give any references to any published work on red
running
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"mid-block" crossings? Any information gratefully received.
Thanks
Alistair McIntyre
Alistair McIntyre | Senior Engineer, Traffic Signals, West Sussex
County
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