One solution would be to have detectors (call delay) on the vehicle crossings which call an all red stage to run before the peds. Consultation with the frontagers will be necessary to explain that they will get an all red but they must still proceed with caution. This has been done in Salisbury. Bob Warren Parkman for Wiltshire C C=20 -----Original Message----- From: Howard Saffer [mailto:Howard.Saffer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 24 September 2002 15:16 To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [TCUG] Conflicts between cyclists/accesses and pedestrian facilities We are looking at a couple of schemes (feasibility/design) where it is required to install signalised pedestrian facilities (with audibles/tactiles) - probably on an all -round pedestrian stage. However there are potential conflicts with uncontrolled vehicles (from driveways to houses) and/or cyclists (uncontrolled entry into junction) - and we are pondering over whether to allow this. We think it is likely that cyclists, and drivers from properties, are most likely to emerge and cross the pedestrian facilities when they are green (i.e. when all other traffic is stopped). It this fair and safe for pedestrians? However separately signalling driveways and/or a cycle entry could be confusing for pedestrians - as this would be similar to an all-red stage, but without the ped. crossing signals operating. What do other authorities do in this situation (on the design of new schemes)? Regards Howard Saffer Sheffield City Council The information in this email is confidential. The contents may not be disclosed or used by anyone other than the addressee. If you are not the addressee, please tell us by using the reply facility in your email software as soon as possible. Sheffield City Council cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of this message as it has been transmitted over a public network. If you suspect that the message may have been intercepted or amended please tell us as soon as possible. ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug