well Sammie this is why it was not hard for me....i cleaned all the rubber out of the old frames, except the windwing, and took them to kelly. had him pull it out and sandblast/prime the frames. later decided to get frames powdercoated. had kelly push the windwing glass in for me. brought the frames home and finished the window frames with all the new hardware i could get. i took the first 10 hours off!!!!!! ; ) ________________________________ From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Split window rubber Well, the whole window resto is a nightmare. Take it all apart (COMPLETELY). Media blast every last bit of rust from every metal part. Prime all metal parts with epoxy primer (use detail gun). Paint every last metal part, except chrome window latch and with acrylic urethane correct body color, use detail gun. Install new window latch, install glass in windwing (isn't that seal fun-what do you use for a seal-I've tried about everything-and what do you use for a press to get the glass back in the frame, and don't mess up that seal. And here is some real fun, the window rubber for the windwing to frame seal. Did you get that wind wing back in, you did use a new washer and appropriate spacer with a correct rivet didn't you. Oh, and did you make a trip to fastener store to get just the correct new screws to install the channel lock plate. And of course your chrome window latch for the slider doesn't need any work does it. Tab is never broken is it (there is a few hours of hunting down the part for that) Oh, and the inner spring on that thing is not lost or broken is it, hmm where do you find one of those things anyway. And you also found out how that vertical bar on the front of the rear window is held in place so you can replace that sealing tape that the PO had put on there to hold it. My estimate; without putting a clock on it; is a minimum of 20 hours of labor to remove, disassemble, restore and reassemble one window frame. For someone who does a lot of them all the time with all of the equipment and parts readily at hand they should be able to do it quicker. Assuming everything goes perfect. And how often does that happen. Ever break off one of those many screws, or worse, one of the 6X1.00 studs holding that frame onto the door? Or how about snapping the shaft of the wind wing trying to remove that rusted solid nut on the shaft? Now you gotta go find another wind wing frame or repair the old one. However, for the amateur restorer who runs into all of the normal problems I would challenge them to do one correctly in less that 20 hours. And I know a shop that will actually do VW work for $80 per hour. You want to pay that rate for one window? Ever wonder why a good restoration shop costs multiple tens of thousands to restore a VW bus? From: shirley hall <vwbuslady@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tcb <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:49 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Split window rubber Okay this statement is scaring me. Sammie are you joking? I just did Busther's windows and it seemed to go just fine, no leaks at Busfest. I even had supervision during instalation!! From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Subject: [tcb] Re: Split window rubber Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 12:08:18 AM There ain't no way it's super easy and quick. Tell Tyler I've done many of them and it's the hardest damn part of restoring the entire bus. From: "theresabuckner@xxxxxxx" <theresabuckner@xxxxxxx> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Split window rubber Call Steve C. he & Tyler did Tyler's thurs. Tyler said it was super easy & quick -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie <fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> To: tcb <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:06 pm Subject: [tcb] Split window rubber OMG! I hope I can remember how to install the rubber back in the front door windows. Sent from my iPhone