[talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:21:09 +0100
Lol nope. Or at least I wasn't. speech didn't really come in I don't
think until a little after 2000. my first speech phone was a nokia 6600.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 27 April 2009 10:17
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
But aren't we talking about first phones with speech?
Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
> My first ever phone was a prepay on 1 to 1 and that was a motarolar
> menfis lol. What a brick! It still had an arial!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of All formats
> Sent: 27 April 2009 09:41
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
>
> Without caller ID though I would think?
>
> My first was with Orange.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Mark Brett
> Sent: 24 April 2009 23:33
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> My first phone was long before they even considered digital phones. I
> think the phone was an Nec 9a i think it was.
>
> Mark Brett
>
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> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
> From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 24/04/2009 10:49
>
>
> Really? Not for the domestic market though surely?
>
> I remember Voda and Celnet (O2) papping themselves and having to catch
> up quite quickly which is partly why the offered the tariffs around
> the area codes which you now have displayed on screen as standard.
>
> You know. The 10p a call if you dialled an 0121 number in an 0121 area
> code.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
> Sent: 24 April 2009 10:12
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> Paul,
>
> C.L.I. was out on Cell Net and Vodafone a good while before Orange
> even put up their first transmitter, but hay, there you go.
>
>
>
>
> Neil Barnfather
> WFA List Administrator
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of All formats
> Sent: 24 April 2009 09:30
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> Neil. Fantastic information. I used to read a lot of the mobile
> magazines (sad git I know) and I had forgotten a lot of that stuff.
>
> Orange definitely had one of the best customer service models in the
> early days and that was one of the reasons as you say that they were
> as successful as they were. It wasn't just the high quality knowledge
> of any one you talked to in the company, it was all the additional
> stuff like being able to find out where their coverage roll out was
> happening and their being upfront about where the future developments
> were going to be. They also took the whole thing of branding,
> marketing and loyalty reward schemes to a whole new level to anything
> that was around at the time.
>
> I think they were the first to offer "caller ID" and they had that
> line 2 option so you could have a business and home number on the same
> phone.
>
> On the other hand, Vodafone had a presence way before the first truly
> mobile phones we see today with their two way radio service and I
> think that was somewhere in the 70s. So, they would have been more
> business focused by default really as it would have been businesses
> like fleet transport that would have used such a service.
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
> Sent: 23 April 2009 16:51
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> Andy,
>
> Likely to do with the method of cell tower deployment, O2 or Cell net
> as they were along side Vodafone deployed originally in a grid style
> across the UK, thus network coverage is more widely spread and low
> coverage areas are less likely.
>
> Orange and One 2 One as they were now T-Mobile deployed in a radial
> fashion spurting out from town / city centres. This of course keeping
> costs down whilst offering the maximum coverage buy population.
>
> Have you ever seen the phrase 99.9% of the UK population covered, of
> course this term originally coined by T-Mobile / One 2 One in the
> early days, and later Orange. This of course misleading as it implies
> lots of coverage, but with vast amounts of the UK population being in
> cities / towns, it doesn't mean 99% of the UK which it could be
> mistaken to mean.
>
> 3 Have repeated Orange and T-Mobile's method, with even more distance,
> afforded to them by newer technology in cell towers.
>
> I rather suspect like Paul, that the reason more partners exist with
> T-Mobile is not due to their incredible network or customer services,
> but more the cost parameters they afford to those partner networks.
>
> O2 and Vodafone have long been the business users network's of choice,
> due to their overall network performance and reliability, supported of
> course by their higher plans and tariff charges, Orange / T-Mobile
> being more aimed at the consumer and bargain savvier home user. With 3
> having all the teaming issues that One 2 One had all those years ago.
> Ask how many business users opt for 3 and you'll see my point.
>
> I think that Orange didn't suffer as much from the bad press as One 2
> one did, as orange were innovators with their pioneering technology
> and features along side quality customer service staff.
>
> Hope that this helps in some way... PS, used to work for Nokia's
> network infrastructure / deployment division, so have a little
> knowledge on these things.
>
>
> Neil Barnfather
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS
> Sent: 23 April 2009 09:51
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
> Don't want to start a best coverage debate, but I have found that
> T-Mobile have better coverage than Orange. What I'd like to know
> however, is why so many other people seem to have coverage on Cross
> Country and Virgin trains, when for me with T-Mobile [and it was as
> bad with Orange] I get hardly any! Is it anything to do with hand
> sets? Are non-Nokia phones more powerful when it comes to picking up
> connection? I'm guessing not, but can't figure out why I get such poor
> coverage while others phones are ringing out all the time! -
>
> Andy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:29 AM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>
>
>> It is ironic.
>>
>> Umm! Let's see now? Why don't we go with the UK service with the
>> worst coverage we can which will entice our customers to stick with
> us...
> Not!
>>
>> When T-mobile were one2one, we used to call them one2none as no one
>> could get coverage with them but, only had their handsets because the
>> tariffs were so good. But, then, they had to be to attract people
>> even though they would never be able to use their minutes but, then
>> at
>
>> least, they could feel good about thinking they had a good deal.
>>
>> I don't like T-mobile! Not that anyone would have guessed.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Brett
>> Sent: 22 April 2009 17:59
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>
>> Yes they are using orange but part of that agreement is that they
>> stop using O2. What is even more ironic is that they are going to
>> network share with T-Mobile.
>>
>> Mark Brett
>>
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>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>> From: "All formats" <allformats@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 22/04/2009 15:09
>>
>>
>> I think three are tied in with Orange, but, not absolutely sure.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Brett
>> Sent: 22 April 2009 14:19
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>
>> People who are using the 3 network may not have coverage in some
>> areas because in september i think it is the deal they have with O2
>> comes to
>
>> an end.
>>
>> Mark Brett
>>
>> This e-mail was produced on a Nokia N82
>>
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>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 22/04/2009 13:16
>>
>>
>> Hi Andy.
>>
>> I'm not making any promises about whether you will or will not be
>> charged. I've never been charged for WFA on payg, but then when I've
>> been on contract which has been from June last year, I've always paid
>> for an unlimited data plan. If you've an unlocked phone, by all
means
>
>> pop in to a three store and pick up a payg sim or if you want L10
>> complementary credit you can buy the sim online. Either way, its not
>> a major investment and you can trial three for yourself to see if it
>> is free to use WFA.
>>
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ANDY COLLINS" <Andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:49 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ibrahim -
>>>
>>> Is this to say then, that one could have a PAYG or sim contract with
>>> three, and not get charged for moderate use of WFA? I would be
>>> interested if this were the case -
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:58 AM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Saqib.
>>>>
>>>> The reason three don't charge you is because you use only small
>>>> amounts of data daily. If you surf the open internet, download a
>>>> large file etc you will be charged however three do realise that
>>>> some smartphones connect to the internet for services as part of
>>>> their setup but the data consumption is so small that they aren't
>>>> too concerned. Wayfinder falls in to this catagory as its data use
>>>> is comparitively small. If you are getting something for nothing,
>>>> don't let on to three. I pay for my web access to the tune of L5
>>>> per month on my contract, however I do use it heavily downloading a
>>>> lot of audio and video content however I've never gone over any
> limits.
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Saqib" <saqib500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:04 AM
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi. Three don't block internet access and further more they don't
>>>>> charge
>>
>>>>> as I've never bin charged for any data. I had noticed the non
>>>>> charge of data a couple of months back.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought 3 was like that but am not quite sure any more because
>>>>>> I've also herd that this is no longer the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Sent: 22 April 2009 10:07
>>>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Wayfinder Access and mobile networks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone please clarify this for me fairly quickly, pretty
>>>>>> please? (smile).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that one or two networks don't allow
>>>>>> connection to the Wayfinder Access server on Pay-As-You-Go. Does
>>>>>> anyone know comprehensively which networks don't allow or block
>>>>>> it, and whether this is on contract or top-up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any info appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>>>> Email: Jackie.Cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound
>>>>>> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton
>>>>>> Park Northampton NN3 6WD
>>>>>> Telephone: 01604 798024
>>>>>> Fax: 01604 798090
>>>>>> Web: www.sightandsound.co.uk
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