[tabi] Re: an idea for Nova 2010

  • From: "Easy Talk" <easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:22:12 -0500

What meeting was it.  Were Star Metro people there?  I think this approach 
would work especially if the city used a particular sign design that  was 
recognized tactually.
   We  still have the problem of locating audible signals and the best way I 
have heard of is beeping locater buttons.

  Now chip ref the message you posted about the vibrating receivers.  I have 
been working with a company called Bones Inc located in Switzerland who make a 
product called Milestone m312.  It is a very small device weighing 1.4 ounces.  
It is a digital recorder, MP3 player, Daisy player and there are certain models 
with a FM radio and RFID reader.  The unit is designed to allow for additional 
features, for example soon a color identifier attachment will be released that 
will identify colors and also give descriptions of the pattern.  The RFID 
reader allows you to scan a RFID tag and attach a recorded message which can be 
shared with other users.  The tags are about a buck a peace and they have them 
for out doors and even ones that can be frozen.

  Anyway back to my point.  Bones is also developing a transit system and is 
testing in 3 locations in Switzerland.  below is the info.  I am also 
considering distributing this product in the u.s so any feedback would be 
appreciated.  You can read more about the company and the Milestone M312 at


  PAVIP Transport
  PAVIP Transport is an information and navigational system in the public 
  for visually handicapped people. The following idea of a user experience with 
  Transport gives you an impression of how this system shall help its users:
  You reach a bus stop and grab your Milestone 312 with the PAVIP module. You 
  over the front of the time table and receive acoustically the information at 
  bus station you are, which bus lines will stop here, when they appear, what 
the location
  around you looks like and much more information. You open the point "bus 
lines" on
  your M312 and choose the line number 7 to the train station. When the bus 
line 7
  is 100m in front of your station, you receive a signal acoustically or over 
  that your bus is near. The bus stops in front of you. With a push of a button 
  M312 you open the door of the bus. A discreet acoustic signal from the bus 
  helps you to locate and find the bus door. While sitting on the bus you get 
  to the bus system. You have now further information available on your M312, 
as for
  example which is the next bus station. You can also look ahead and request 
all the
  following stops of your line 7. If you come to know that the next station is 
  you can activate the bus stop request over Milestone and when it arrives, 
again activate
  the acoustic help to find the door. If necessary the system can also give out 
  about the design of the bus, for example hurdles (steps) when you exit. Or in 
  train where the toilets are or the diner. When you have left the bus you can 
  scan the time table. You can inform yourself about further bus connections or 
  get some information about the area around you.
  This PAVIP system is an important concern of Bones Inc. The idea is to launch 
a standard
  system for public transport and to make the same information available for 
  impaired and blind people as sighted people have. We see this as an important 
  of the puzzle of navigation. A first trial of this capacious project was 
  in the city of St.Gallen in Switzerland. The appropriate infrastructure has 
  built up for the local bus network.
  PAVIP Transport is a first step of a bigger vision for a transportation and 
  system for visually impaired and blind people. A second step would be the 
  with information and navigational points on populous places in cities. This 
  activate the system point-wise besides public transport. A last step would 
  satellite navigation to build bridges between these information points and 
  the information and navigational system.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lynn Evans 
  To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:26 PM
  Subject: [tabi] Re: an idea for Nova 2010

  There was a brief talk at the Monday meeting at the Lighthouse to use some 
type of tactile marker at the base of each bus stop sign to mark the signs 
position. Some type of raised marker on the sidewalk. 

  Also there is a list of transfer points on the NOVA 2010 site now. 
  Only two points hve audible signals. 
  the link is:

  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Chip Orange 
    To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:21 PM
    Subject: [tabi] an idea for Nova 2010

    Hi all,

    I know this hasn't been discussed all that much, but one of the potential 
problems I see with nova 2010 is that a lot, if not all, of the bus stops will 
be relocating.  It seems likely that those who have memorized the locations of 
the current stops will have some difficulty in locating the new stops from just 
a text description.

    so, the idea I'd like to hear comment on, is how about use of the devices 
that I just posted a press release for, the SoundPost?  it looks to me if 
StarMetro, or someone, would purchase and install the base stations at the bus 
stops, and someone would buy and distribute for a nominal price the handheld 
units, these would do nicely for helping people locate the stop.

    the site isn't entirely clear on how they work, so I called the developer, 
and we spoke for a few minutes.  the base stations emit an I/R beam, and the 
hand helds vibrate or beep when you come within range.  you can then begin to 
move the handheld in a circle, aiming it at different directions, and you'll 
get a strong indication as to which direction the beam is coming from, plus a 
spoken identification of the type of installation the unit is placed at (it's 
any of 185 different, predefined, types such as "bus stop", "women's restroom", 
"government building", etc.).  they have a range of about 30 meters, or 90 feet.

    so, does anyone else think these things would be helpful for this project, 
and should we take this idea to StarMetro?




    Chip Orange
    Database Administrator
    Florida Public Service Commission

    (850) 413-6314

     (Any opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not 
necessarily reflect those of the Florida Public Service Commission.)

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