Hi Annabelle
My only interest is to understand relations between the models, which I
suggested below may be complementary.
The message system was quoted from Hasan 1983, in your paper with RH, Geoff and
Carmel, that I promoted as ‘a useful history and synopsis’. I thought it was
interesting to see how the message and mood features presented as bijective
differ in their systemic valeur, and how the message features presage later
developments.
The negotiation system wasn’t published until 1992, extensively credited to
Margaret Berry. The appraisal system was published a decade later. So it was
impossible to know in 1983 that the features described as message options were
also features in negotiation and appraisal systems. So certainly not a re-run.
On the other hand, the whole of discourse semantics is extensively credited to
RH, including 197 mentions in ET. It’s worth looking at another paper I
mentioned below, with Erika Matruglio, to see how RH’s research is still being
cited, along with Carmel’s.
Best wishes
David
Martin, J. R., & Matruglio, E. (2019). Revisiting mode: Context in/dependency
in Ancient History classroom discourse. In Accessing academic discourse (pp.
89-113). Routledge.
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The personal anecdotes are amusing - but Rosemary's email had a deeper message.
There is not a free marketplace of ideas in academia. The dominance of white
male thinkers in linguistics is a consequence of the way the system is
structured.
A note on a prior email of David Rose's:
In sum, the message system (Hasan) attempts to synthesise the complementarity
of two discourse semantic systems, negotiation and appraisal. This
complementarity is explored in the following paper (reference to a paper by
Martin follows)
The claim that Hasan's message semantics is 'synthesising the complementarity
of two DS systems (negotiation and appraisal)' is so inaccurate I can't tell if
it is misinformation or disinformation. It's hard not to notice that the ideas
of a brown woman (Hasan) are being treated as if they were a re-run of the
ideas of a white male (Martin). And then interested parties are further
referred to said white male to read more.
Hasan is surely worthy of being read on her own terms.
Cheers
Annabelle
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Fran, are you going to tell us what happened next?
David
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As it happens, I have been in almost that situation, when I wasn’t the
secretary but one of the professors present- the only woman professor of course
in the midst of men professors!
Fran
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Hi People -
A feminist perspective on the recognition of good ideas (RH):
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Dear David and Mick:
Thomas Kuhn's study of "scientific revolutions" - in many ways an unfortunate
term - although it has been widely criticised, is still worth reading as a
sociologically-oriented account of how ideas develop in "science", Randy
Harris's The Linguistics Wars being a similar account of a key moment in our
own field.
My take would be that, much as we would like to think that "a good idea" is
"powerful" in itself, for it to be acknowledged as "good", an idea / theory /
framework etc etc needs a few necessary conditions to get taken up. Firstly in
some vague sense which I can't really pin down it needs to "conform to the
Zeitgeist", to come at the "right time". Secondly, it needs institutional
backing, in the sense of a community of users and processes of application and
distribution. Thirdly it needs to be perceived as filling a gap in the current
state of the field, to enable people to do things they couldn't (as easily or
efficiently) do before.
Unfortunately - and this is the really irritating part - none of these
necessary conditions can ever provide warrant for the "goodness" of the idea /
theory / framework itself, are never "sufficient" to guarantee that that "good
idea" won't be replaced by another "good idea" some time in the future. So any
successes we can give ourselves credit for are I'm afraid, in the long run,
only ever partial and provisional.
This would be my reading from the history of linguistics - and it is itself an
"idea" or a "meta-idea" subject to all the same limitations I just outlined.
It's a rum go, it is, this business of scholarship!
Ed
On Thu, 14 Jul 2022, 09:23 David Rose,
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At great personal risk, Mick
David
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DR: Our hypotheses ... must be grounded in established models in our own or
other disciplines.
MO: But if the established models (in our own discipline or in another
discipline) are wrong, then our own extensions will themselves be wrong.
I don't think the acceptance of a model as "established" is any sort of
guarantee: the history of human progress, in linguistics, or whatever field,
has been to supersede the established model. It is rarely a total rejection,
more often dropping one assumption, or a change of perspective, but keeping
most of the old model.
But in moving forward, we cannot apriori know which aspects of the established
model are ones that need to change.
We cannot assume SFL as developed by MAKH or by Ruqaiya Hasan or by Jim Martin
is God's Truth, immutable for all time. History has shown that models are
always superseded as we apply the model to reality.
To me, too much work in SFL has been stifled by the need to stay within the
bounds of the establishment. We have been trying to grow the theory outwards,
or in complexity, without touching the Hallidayan core.
Jim Martin has always impressed me as someone who, while respecting the whole,
is willing to change core assumptions, when the needs of linguistic modeling
require it. In the late 1970s, trying to handle genres within the established
model, and failing, he and others broke out functional tenor as a stratum
above, which I for the most part buy as necessary. But whether you accept this
modification or not is not important, what is important is that Jim has been
(and continues to be) willing to throw out established ideas (even his own) if
they don't fit new data. And anyone who is not willing to do similarly is
kidding themselves if they think they are doing linguistic science.
mick
On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 00:28, David Rose
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Mick
I see what you mean about textual evidence. But lx proceeds by looking for
patterns of patterns. We can then postulate explanations and test them with
further textual evidence. Our hypotheses can’t be random, but must be grounded
in established models in our own or other disciplines, to be taken seriously.
That’s what Firth did in the 30s with Malinowski’s social contexts of situation
and culture, to help explain linguistic patterns of systems and instances. In
the 40s Whorf analogised reactances from chemistry, his first profession. From
the 70s RH did it with Bernstein’s sociology, to explain semantic variation (or
perhaps vice versa). From the 80s JRM invoked Bakhtin (Voloshinov) to help
explain genre as a semiotic system.
More recently, SFL has drawn on LCT sociology to address the very issue you
raise here about language context, as ‘presence’ and ‘mass’.
Martin, J. R., & Matruglio, E. (2019). Revisiting mode: Context in/dependency
in Ancient History classroom discourse. In Accessing academic discourse (pp.
89-113). Routledge.
Martin, J. R. (2019). Revisiting field: Specialized knowledge in secondary
school science and humanities discourse. In Accessing Academic Discourse (pp.
114-147). Routledge.
David
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DR: features in systems are no more substantial than the probabilities of their
realising structures being re-instantiated
MO: For me, probabilities not relevant here. Possibility more relevant: can it
happen, rather than how often it happens...
And I am not clear what the rest of your sentence means.
But picking up on what you say later:
DR: The fact that we are still trying to model the semantic stratum on what we
known of LG systems is, I think, an accident of history.
MO: The thing is, all we really have that is reliable is the language used.
Context of Culture, Context of Situation, Genre, all can be modelled in
countless arbitrary ways, and they way you model it will effect the semantic/DS
model you end up with. For me, the only concrete information we have is the
words used (plus intonation etc.). So building up to a model of semantics based
on patterns in wordings is the base we can use.
To support this, note that 95% of language use is not related to the material
situation (Hasan's MSS), but rather to a Context of Situation constructed by
the language itself. So trying to build a theory of semantics based on a
theory of language context is circular, as we can only build a theory of
language context by observing how language forms/meanings systematically relate
to the contexts they construct.
Anyway, have to go.
Mick
On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 13:36, David Rose
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Hi Mick
Re your earlier comment about ‘the need for Semantics as a separate stratum’...
I think that takes us back to two first principles...
One is that features in systems are no more substantial than the probabilities
of their realising structures being re-instantiated... more so for more general
and less so for more delicate features.
The other is that the content planes of lg and other modalities have evolved to
semioticise social relations, for which semiosis is a necessary condition. So
the social and semiotic are two sides of the same coin.
The semiotic systems of most species are reproduced genetically. In some
species these are augmented by learnt systems, i.e. culturally reproduced.
Lg evolved in humans in tandem with the complexity of our social relations. It
required on one hand sufficient flexibility to manage variability in our
ancestors’ sociality, and on the other a mechanism for replication fidelity to
ensure its reproduction across multiple generations (on the model of genetic
reproduction).
The tension between these selection pressures produced a bifurcation in lg’s
content plane, still recapitulated in the transition from protolg to mother
tongue in infants.
On one hand, LG systems provided the replication fidelity for reproduction over
deep time (analogous with the reproductive role of DNA). Their features cement
untold millions of re-instantiations, more so at higher ranks. One result is
their more general features remain common across lgs (as humans share 85% of
our DNA with mice, 60% with insects, and 50% with plants). It is probably also
why grammatical systems encode such stable models of experience and exchange.
While stability is essential for cultural reproduction, it is insufficient for
negotiating unfolding contingencies in human social relations. That is the task
for which DS systems evolved (analogous with the role of RNA in managing
intracellular functions).
Both LG and DS systems are necessary for human semiosis on phylogenetic and
logogenetic timescales, but their functions are complementary. The fact that we
are still trying to model the semantic stratum on what we known of LG systems
is, I think, an accident of history. From 2500 years of grammatics,
cryptogrammatics has struggled to emerge in the last 80, and DS systems are
another order of covert reactances.
David
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Hi Mick
Now you are probably asleep, but...
What differs between the message features in Figure 24.4 below and the mood
features that realise them is their systemic valeur. The valeur of mood
features is shaped by similarities and contrasts in the mood structures that
realise them, exemplified in Table 24.4.
The valeur of message features is shaped by three factors as far as I can see.
System G features by their position in exchange structures: verify/enquire etc.
System F features by appraisal: precise/tentative; by field: specify/explain;
again by exchange structure: prompted/unprompted; and again by field:
global/particular...
In sum, the message system attempts to synthesise the complementarity of two
discourse semantic systems, negotiation and appraisal. This complementarity is
explored in the following paper
Martin, J. R. 2019. Once more with feeling: negotiating evaluation. Language,
Context and Text 1.2. 234-259.
David
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Yes, Mick I think you are on the track. Too tired to comment just now. Can I
just ask that we drop the term forms for the grammar?
David
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DR: The semantic networks appear to re-systemicise the LG systems.
MO: But that is exactly the role of semantics, a more abstract representation
of the utterance. I also note the "systemicisation" in the semantics may
reflect a totally different way choices are realised in the grammar. For
instance, the choices in the speech functional network reflect lexicogram
choices in clause mood and mood-tag, but also in intonation, and in one case
the clause complex. So, the SEMANTIC NETWORK generalises over various forms
across the grammar, which is what one would want.
Mick
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 14:00, David Rose
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As the systems below show, the grammatico-semantic model assumes a bijective or
one-to-one relation between LG features and semantic features. What differs is
the intrastratal relations between the features. The semantic networks appear
to re-systemicise the LG systems.
Crucially, the names given to the semantic features imply moves in unfolding
exchanges. They are therefore potentially complementary with the exchange
systems first proposed by Margaret Berry and further developed in ET as the
discourse semantic system of negotiation.
David
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Hi Mick
I am most familiar with Williams, G. (1995). Joint book-reading and literacy
pedagogy: A socio-semantic examination. Which I’ve mined over the years for its
rich data on literacy learning and socioeconomic class.
A useful history and synopsis is given in Hasan, R., Cloran, C., Williams, G.,
& Lukin, A. CD6 Semantic networks: the description of linguistic meaning in SFL.
Here’s one system and its grammatical realisations set out in that paper.
David
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Hi David,
If Hasanian semantic networks include systems which decide on
lexicogrammatical realisation, I would be surprised. Have you got a reference
for that? To me, that would be putting choices in the wrong stratum, and Hasan
was always very careful in her modelling.
Mick
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 12:10, David Rose
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Thanks Mick
I’m happy to be mistaken but my understanding is that incongruent grammatical
realisations of speech functions are treated as delicate features in message
semantic systems. That is, each feature in the semantic systems has a
particular grammatical realisation. Perhaps Geoff could explain more clearly.
One issue with your synopsis below, is a suggested correlation of form and
meaning with grammar and semantics. This is also suggested by the oft-used
terms ‘wording’ vs ‘meaning’, as though grammar was not meaningful in itself.
What makes grammar meaningful is axis... features realised as structures. The
features are the meanings of the structures. Or rather the features and
structures are two faces of the meanings, that MAKH showed us are made by the
grammar.
Btw, I found "Construing Experience" very beautiful, as it sets out the
intricate model of experience covertly construed by the ideational systems of
English grammar. It was certainly inspirational for me in my description of the
‘Western Desert Code’.
David
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Hi David,
I would not think any Hallidayan would ever posit a 1-to-1 mapping between
Semantics and Grammar. That would invalidate the need for Semantics as a
separate stratum.
Case in point being the mapping from Speech Function to Mood, with, e.g.,
demand:information being realised as interrogative, declarative or imperative.
And visa versa, grammatical configurations often can express alternative
semantic configurations (e.g., "can" can express semantic possibility, ability,
permission, etc.
So, the mapping between Semantics and Grammar always needs to be seen as a
many-to-many mapping.
- language provides multiple forms for realising a particular meaning.
- a particular form can express alternative meanings
(but yes, "Construing Experience" can be read (misread?) to suggest a one to
one mapping between semantic process type selection and Transitivity selection
in the grammar. Something I and other have argued against in the past. And not
something that I think was intended by the authors, Christian and MAKH).
Mick
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 03:53, David Rose
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To clarify, the grammatico-semantic model assumes a bijective or one-to-one
relation between LG features and semantic features, while the discourse
semantic model allows for multivalued or one-to-many relations between DS
features and LG features. The latter is consistent with MAKH’s model of
congruent/incongruent relations between semantic features and LG features. This
was described in Ch10 of IFG1/2 but was replaced in IFG3/4 by
‘‘transgrammatical semantic domains’, which relocates multivalued realisation
from an interstratal to an intrastratal relation within semantics.
David
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Thanks Chris
This diagram is a good illustration of the grammatico-semantic model, with a
semantic ‘figure’ realised by a grammatical clause and a semantic ‘participant’
by a grammatical nominal group. It must then explain grammatical metaphor by
stratifying the semantic stratum into two ‘domains’, with the diagram showing a
more abstract ‘Value’ realised by a less abstract ‘Token’.
In the discourse semantic model, stratification is between the strata of DS and
LG. So a semantic figure may be realised ‘congruently’ by a clause, or
metaphorically by a nominal group. This paper proposes the term ‘symbolising’
for the latter metaphorical type of relation between DS and LG.
David
Martin, J. R. (2020). Metaphors we feel by: stratal tension. Journal of World
Languages, 6(1-2), 8-26.
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Dear Colleagues,
The following might be useful for those who are unclear on the semantics of
grammatical metaphor.
Halliday & Matthiessen (1999: 288-9):
The metaphorical relation is thus similar to inter-stratal realisation in that
it construes a token-value type of relation. Here, however, the relation is
intra-stratal: the identity holds between different meanings, not between
meanings and wordings. The metaphor consists in relating different semantic
domains of experience: the domain of figures is construed in terms of the
domain of participants, and so on… . It is the fact that metaphor multiplies
meanings within the semantic system that opens up the possibility of
metaphorical chains, with one congruent starting-point and another highly
metaphorical end-point (A"' stands for A" stands for A' stands for A; e.g.
'engine failure' stands for 'the failing of an engine' stands for 'an engine
failed'). The semantic system is being expanded along the dimension of the
metaphorical token-value relation; but the expansion is still within the
semantic system itself.
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