My dear JS
Our house pseudo intellectual, using demonizing words out of thin
air against a small communist country who the world respects for
winning a war against a Capitalist France and USA throwing
napalm, agent orange and more bombs then dropped during all of
WW11. (See last paragraph below). Did a little birdie tell you or
you were there or know someone who was there or what? Did you
read that close to 7 million tourists visits Vietnam yearly? Did
you read DR's Wikipedia and figure from that, that Vietanm is led
by corrupt, vicious, deadly communist leaders who are not trying
to build a better country for their people and it's future
but only to make themselves rich? Perhaps we should re-invade
them and be welcomed as saviors this time? Advice, don't demonize
when you don't know. Think, think, think.
Stanley
In a message dated 8/14/2014 11:47:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schalestock@xxxxxxxx writes:
Lee,
You really nailed it. I remember my dad (a ww2 vet) saying it
was a civil war right from the start. And of course, those of
us that were over there had no doubt about the corruption of
the South Vietnam government and the ARVN.
I recently watched an interesting documentary about LBJ with
live videos of him talking to McNamara. It appears that he
saw his conundrum as fearing the Chinese would come in if he
turned us loose to go up north on one hand and fearing he
would be accused of " losing" Vietnam if he did nothing.
Naturally, the end result was was a micro managed cluster
fuck that ended in our defeat. But it does show the
consequences of electing an uneducated, self serving
ignoramus who didn't even know about the thousand year old
animosity between Vietnam and China. There is no doubt the
Vietnamese would have fought the Chinese just as hard as they
did us had China tried to come into the war.
And, as you point out, capitalism has no corner on
corruption. The communist regime in Vietnam is not only
corrupt, its vicious and deadly to its own people. So it goes
in Stan's communist Utopian fantasy world.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Lee, NI7I" <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Viet Nam, success or failure?
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:29:55 -0700
Stan, you would have a good argument if you didnt insist on
inserting half truths (which are worse than lies). The US
wasnt trying to impose anything on viet nam.
What they were doing was interfering with a civil war. There
was already a "capitalist democracy" in place in south viet
nam. With our assistance it became more
corrupt than it was and, again with our assistance, in
failed. Now they have a "capitalist democracy" of their own
making. I dont think you could really call what
they have in that country communism. It's just adifferent
sort of capitalism. And, from what I understand, is no less
corrupt than our country.
Lee
NI7I
On 8/13/2014 7:16 PM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for
DMARC) wrote:
RR and DR and JS and etc.
You say you have an open mind and you know of no
socialist country that has succeeded excluding China?
How about Viet Nam, isn't that a country run by
communists? It was a colony of Captalist France until
it won it's independence and then again when
Captalist America tried to impose a Captalist Democracy
on it and failed and it won the admiration of the world
even by many here? Today we free trade with it and it is
even a tourist destination including soldiers who fought
against them. Remember the unkown Spanish author of the
saying, 'A wise man changes his mind often, a fool
never'. You can call me the fool but as wise men
where do you stand?
Comrade B
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