RR the self praiser
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2015 12:17 am
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
DR,
You're just making stuff up. You don't understand the technology even though I
have explained it twice already. You are really dumb.
You're just a sorry loser who gets off on trying to find fault with other
people.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 10:03 PM
To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
People can share ONLY one copy, not more.
It doesn't matter if a person obtains the illegal copy from a public web site -
which is nothing more than a computer server with a PUBLISHED IP addressed
available from a DNS Domain Name Server, from a private computer - which is
also acting as a server, just like the publically published "web site", or a
site on the TOR Onion router, DARK INTERNET.
Sharing more than one the ONE copy you bought is theft. You have a right in
addition to owning the one copy,, you have a right to a back up electronic copy
for your own archives - but not to lend.
Even if you do not sell it, it is theft.
Selling it is an ADDITIONAL crime, it is selling stolen property.
You are incorrect in stating that "Nobody is stealing anything from anybody."
You are stealing the author's property.
You are entitled to loan your copy of a book, DVD or other copyright material
that you have purchased.
Just like libraries - and you can do it over and over and over until it wears
out, or is lost, just like a library.
You can even sell your copy or rent it out, just like a library.
But what you CANNOT DO legally is serve up a file so that it multiplies in
number as it does when you serve files with torrents. Torrents by their very
nature have more than one copy.
So torrents because they have more than one copy of material at any one moment
in time are illegal for copyrighted material.
It doesn't matter if you sell it or not. It is still a crime as long as it is
copyright material.
I can buy a book, the author and publisher gets paid and I can give it away. I
have lost my use of the book, someone else has the use and possession of it.
73
DR
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
Maybe the problem is that you do not understand modern technology?
People buy books, movies and mp3's and share them via the Internet. You don't
download from any website. The torrent website only directs you to the personal
computers of the person or persons who are sharing.
Nobody is stealing anything from anybody. If a person were to download a
movie, make a copy of it and then sell it that would be a copyright violation
and would be both immoral and criminal.
You can't sell "something for free". That is a non-sequitur.
-RR
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----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 7:16 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
What you are saying is not the truth.
When you acquire an ilegal, unpaid for book, you steal it ONE time, if you sell
it you continue to steal as you have no right to own the book BECAUSE YOU HAVE
STOLLEN IT.
If I buy a book, I can lend it or sell it, or give the copy I bought away. The
book can be printed or electronic form.
But I cannot duplicate large portions or the whole book without permission of
the copyright holder.
China does not belong to the nations that have signed copyright and
intellectual property treaties, so they are frequent copiers of books, and the
authors receove nothing for their labors.
A good union mak like RR should support copyright laws and not steal from
authors, agents, and sellers of legitimate works.
Theives can sell for free or very cheaply.
You are stealing BOTH when you aquire an illegal copy AND when you sell it.
DR
On Sep 26, 2015 2:14 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
Sorry I didn't realize how behind the times you are. Today books are published
in electronic form. People don't photocopy them!
In any event we were talking about an audio book.
But the same applies to audio books, songs and movies. You are only pirating
something if you make a copy and sell it.
Yes a few torrent sites have been shut down temporarily but they always come
back up.
Repeat: Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested, much less
convicted, of downloading a movie, song or book from a torrent site.
Just as nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for sharing a
book, movie or record with other people.
Just as you were never arrested for reading a book from the MMA Library on a
ship that you never paid for.
So it's OK for Jews to bulldoze peoples' homes and steal their land because
your religion doesn't say anything about bulldozers. Typical Jew response.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 11:52 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Sorry, but the fact that you repeat something doesn't make it true. (See DR's
emails to you.)
To use your example about buying a book and sharing it: when downloading, you
are not buying and then sharing a physical copy of a book. You are effectively
taking a copyrighted book, photocopying it and distributing copies to others.
That's not legal.
"Nobody in the history of the world" has ever been arrested for downloading
material from a torrent site. Oh, really, nobody in the whole history of the
world?! It took me about five seconds to find this news story:
http://europe.newsweek.com/swedish-police-make-arrests-raids-torrent-sites-306709
You may rationalize online piracy in your own mind, but in truth it's not much
different than walking into a bookstore, hiding a book under your jacket and
leaving without paying. It's stealing.
It would be interesting to know what JS, the net's resident author, has to say
about this subject.
As for my not answering your question (you're beginning to sound like Stan!),
here is my reply: I know of no religion--in the history of the world!--that
mentions anything about bulldozers.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
As usual you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media into believing
nonsense.
If I buy a book and share it with somebody else is that theft? That is what
torrent sites are for.
Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for downing a song,
movie or book from a torrent site, the reason being is because it is not theft.
Why won't you answer my question about what your religion says about Jews
bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 10:01 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
This from the website you referred us to (torentz.eu): "Using BitTorrent is
legal, downloading copyrighted material isn’t. Be careful of what you download
or face the consequences."[emphasis added]
Of course downloading copyrighted books like "The Martian" via BitTorrent and
not paying for them is theft! Why do you think they call it piracy? You can
rationalize all you want, but at least be accurate when you rationalize.
As for not being able to get refunds for books you don't like, that might be
true in Costa Rica, but not here. Amazon, Barnes and Noble and our local
independent bookstore, Books and Books, all accept returns, provided that the
books are in new condition and resellable. (You don't tear out pages as you
read them, do you?). By the way, Amazon.com allows you to sample many books
(including "The Martian") before you buy them. Didn't you know that?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
When we used to pull into Chinese ports and the vendors came aboard with pirate
DVD's every member of the crew lined up to buy them and I never once heard
anybody ask a question like that.
The problem with your question is that downloading a book or song is not theft.
It's not even a crime under the law. You are confusing theft with intellectual
property rights. I learned all about the legal aspects of intellectual property
rights when I used to write and publish software.
I buy new books when they come out if I know the author. But I sometimes read a
dozen books a week which I start but never finish. Do you know of any
booksellers that give refunds if you don't like the book?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 6:53 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Does your religion say anything about stealing books, movies, etc.?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You can download mp3 torrent for free here:
https://torrentz.eu/079a2887bb3ac78680d1c3766773f6cbf4169d05
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly
Sent: Sep 25, 2015 9:55 AM
To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
Good point! I'll seriously consider it for this book.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelly,
An audio book is an alternative to reading.
-RR
-----Forwarded Message-----
Subject: The Martian
Good recommendation Ron
Downloaded full audio book yesterday for my drive to Guancaste.
