DR,
Thanks for chiming in. I'm assuming you've read all the back-and-forth between
RR and myself. Please be careful before you form any opinions. After all, as
RR points out, Andy Weir (author of The Martian) is not a legal authority.
But apparently RR is.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
Maybe the problem is that you do not understand modern technology?
People buy books, movies and mp3's and share them via the Internet. You don't
download from any website. The torrent website only directs you to the
personal computers of the person or persons who are sharing.
Nobody is stealing anything from anybody. If a person were to download a
movie, make a copy of it and then sell it that would be a copyright violation
and would be both immoral and criminal.
You can't sell "something for free". That is a non-sequitur.
-RR
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----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 7:16 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
What you are saying is not the truth.
When you acquire an ilegal, unpaid for book, you steal it ONE time, if you
sell it you continue to steal as you have no right to own the book BECAUSE
YOU HAVE STOLLEN IT.
If I buy a book, I can lend it or sell it, or give the copy I bought away.
The book can be printed or electronic form.
But I cannot duplicate large portions or the whole book without permission of
the copyright holder.
China does not belong to the nations that have signed copyright and
intellectual property treaties, so they are frequent copiers of books, and
the authors receove nothing for their labors.
A good union mak like RR should support copyright laws and not steal from
authors, agents, and sellers of legitimate works.
Theives can sell for free or very cheaply.
You are stealing BOTH when you aquire an illegal copy AND when you sell it.
DR
On Sep 26, 2015 2:14 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
Sorry I didn't realize how behind the times you are. Today books are
published in electronic form. People don't photocopy them!
In any event we were talking about an audio book.
But the same applies to audio books, songs and movies. You are only pirating
something if you make a copy and sell it.
Yes a few torrent sites have been shut down temporarily but they always come
back up.
Repeat: Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested, much less
convicted, of downloading a movie, song or book from a torrent site.
Just as nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for
sharing a book, movie or record with other people.
Just as you were never arrested for reading a book from the MMA Library on a
ship that you never paid for.
So it's OK for Jews to bulldoze peoples' homes and steal their land because
your religion doesn't say anything about bulldozers. Typical Jew response.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 11:52 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Sorry, but the fact that you repeat something doesn't make it true. (See
DR's emails to you.)
To use your example about buying a book and sharing it: when downloading,
you are not buying and then sharing a physical copy of a book. You are
effectively taking a copyrighted book, photocopying it and distributing
copies to others. That's not legal.
"Nobody in the history of the world" has ever been arrested for downloading
material from a torrent site. Oh, really, nobody in the whole history of
the world?! It took me about five seconds to find this news story:
http://europe.newsweek.com/swedish-police-make-arrests-raids-torrent-sites-306709
You may rationalize online piracy in your own mind, but in truth it's not
much different than walking into a bookstore, hiding a book under your
jacket and leaving without paying. It's stealing.
It would be interesting to know what JS, the net's resident author, has to
say about this subject.
As for my not answering your question (you're beginning to sound like
Stan!), here is my reply: I know of no religion--in the history of the
world!--that mentions anything about bulldozers.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
As usual you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media into believing
nonsense.
If I buy a book and share it with somebody else is that theft? That is what
torrent sites are for.
Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for downing a
song, movie or book from a torrent site, the reason being is because it is
not theft.
Why won't you answer my question about what your religion says about Jews
bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 10:01 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
This from the website you referred us to (torentz.eu): "Using BitTorrent
is legal, downloading copyrighted material isn’t. Be careful of what you
download or face the consequences."[emphasis added]
Of course downloading copyrighted books like "The Martian" via BitTorrent
and not paying for them is theft! Why do you think they call it piracy?
You can rationalize all you want, but at least be accurate when you
rationalize.
As for not being able to get refunds for books you don't like, that might
be true in Costa Rica, but not here. Amazon, Barnes and Noble and our
local independent bookstore, Books and Books, all accept returns, provided
that the books are in new condition and resellable. (You don't tear out
pages as you read them, do you?). By the way, Amazon.com allows you to
sample many books (including "The Martian") before you buy them. Didn't
you know that?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
When we used to pull into Chinese ports and the vendors came aboard with
pirate DVD's every member of the crew lined up to buy them and I never
once heard anybody ask a question like that.
The problem with your question is that downloading a book or song is not
theft. It's not even a crime under the law. You are confusing theft with
intellectual property rights. I learned all about the legal aspects of
intellectual property rights when I used to write and publish software.
I buy new books when they come out if I know the author. But I sometimes
read a dozen books a week which I start but never finish. Do you know of
any booksellers that give refunds if you don't like the book?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 6:53 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Does your religion say anything about stealing books, movies, etc.?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You can download mp3 torrent for free here:
https://torrentz.eu/079a2887bb3ac78680d1c3766773f6cbf4169d05
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly
Sent: Sep 25, 2015 9:55 AM
To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
Good point! I'll seriously consider it for this book.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelly,
An audio book is an alternative to reading.
-RR
-----Forwarded Message-----
Subject: The Martian
Good recommendation Ron
Downloaded full audio book yesterday for my drive to Guancaste.
