I'm not finding fault with you, I'm just finding fault with what you are
saying. What you are saying is not true.
I have not made anything up. You haven't explained any technology at all,
You've only explained how it is so much easier to violate copyright laws
with digital materials. That you've done. You try to offer a feeble
attempt to say that peer-to-peer or decentralized sharing is not really
piracy, but it doesn't matter how the computers are networked - what
matters is what is transacting between them - if they are exchanging with
the aim of obtaining a copyrighted work, it is digital piracy. It is also
illegal to broadcast - and I use the word correctly - pirated digital
material.
You're probably out of touch with Digital Media Rights living in Costa Rica.
The world has changed, RR, it's time for you to get an education in what's
happening.
Otherwise, you would know that I didn't make anything up.
73
DR
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
You're just making stuff up. You don't understand the technology even
though I have explained it twice already. You are really dumb.
You're just a sorry loser who gets off on trying to find fault with other
people.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 10:03 PM
To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
People can share ONLY one copy, not more.
It doesn't matter if a person obtains the illegal copy from a public web
site - which is nothing more than a computer server with a PUBLISHED IP
addressed available from a DNS Domain Name Server, from a private computer
- which is also acting as a server, just like the publically published "web
site", or a site on the TOR Onion router, DARK INTERNET.
Sharing more than one the ONE copy you bought is theft. You have a right
in addition to owning the one copy,, you have a right to a back up
electronic copy for your own archives - but not to lend.
Even if you do not sell it, it is theft.
Selling it is an ADDITIONAL crime, it is selling stolen property.
You are incorrect in stating that "Nobody is stealing anything from
anybody." You are stealing the author's property.
You are entitled to loan your copy of a book, DVD or other copyright
material that you have purchased.
Just like libraries - and you can do it over and over and over until it
wears out, or is lost, just like a library.
You can even sell your copy or rent it out, just like a library.
But what you CANNOT DO legally is serve up a file so that it multiplies in
number as it does when you serve files with torrents. Torrents by their
very nature have more than one copy.
So torrents because they have more than one copy of material at any one
moment in time are illegal for copyrighted material.
It doesn't matter if you sell it or not. It is still a crime as long as
it is copyright material.
I can buy a book, the author and publisher gets paid and I can give it
away. I have lost my use of the book, someone else has the use and
possession of it.
73
DR
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
Maybe the problem is that you do not understand modern technology?
People buy books, movies and mp3's and share them via the Internet. You
don't download from any website. The torrent website only directs you to
the personal computers of the person or persons who are sharing.
Nobody is stealing anything from anybody. If a person were to download a
movie, make a copy of it and then sell it that would be a copyright
violation and would be both immoral and criminal.
You can't sell "something for free". That is a non-sequitur.
-RR
-
----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 7:16 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
What you are saying is not the truth.
When you acquire an ilegal, unpaid for book, you steal it ONE time, if
you sell it you continue to steal as you have no right to own the book
BECAUSE YOU HAVE STOLLEN IT.
If I buy a book, I can lend it or sell it, or give the copy I bought
away. The book can be printed or electronic form.
But I cannot duplicate large portions or the whole book without
permission of the copyright holder.
China does not belong to the nations that have signed copyright and
intellectual property treaties, so they are frequent copiers of books, and
the authors receove nothing for their labors.
A good union mak like RR should support copyright laws and not steal from
authors, agents, and sellers of legitimate works.
Theives can sell for free or very cheaply.
You are stealing BOTH when you aquire an illegal copy AND when you sell
it.
DR
On Sep 26, 2015 2:14 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
Sorry I didn't realize how behind the times you are. Today books are
published in electronic form. People don't photocopy them!
In any event we were talking about an audio book.
But the same applies to audio books, songs and movies. You are only
pirating something if you make a copy and sell it.
Yes a few torrent sites have been shut down temporarily but they always
come back up.
Repeat: Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested, much
less convicted, of downloading a movie, song or book from a torrent site.
Just as nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for
sharing a book, movie or record with other people.
Just as you were never arrested for reading a book from the MMA Library
on a ship that you never paid for.
So it's OK for Jews to bulldoze peoples' homes and steal their land
because your religion doesn't say anything about bulldozers. Typical Jew
response.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 11:52 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Sorry, but the fact that you repeat something doesn't make it true.
(See DR's emails to you.)
To use your example about buying a book and sharing it: when
downloading, you are not buying and then sharing a physical copy of a
book. You are effectively taking a copyrighted book, photocopying it and
distributing copies to others. That's not legal.
"Nobody in the history of the world" has ever been arrested for
downloading material from a torrent site. Oh, really, *nobody in the
whole history of the world?!* It took me about five seconds to find
this news story:
http://europe.newsweek.com/swedish-police-make-arrests-raids-torrent-sites-306709
You may rationalize online piracy in your own mind, but in truth it's
not much different than walking into a bookstore, hiding a book under your
jacket and leaving without paying. It's stealing.
It would be interesting to know what JS, the net's resident author, has
to say about this subject.
As for my not answering your question (you're beginning to sound like
Stan!), here is my reply: I know of no religion--*in the history of
the world!*--that mentions anything about bulldozers.
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
As usual you have been brainwashed by the mainstream media into
believing nonsense.
If I buy a book and share it with somebody else is that theft? That is
what torrent sites are for.
Nobody in the history of the world has ever been arrested for downing a
song, movie or book from a torrent site, the reason being is because it is
not theft.
Why won't you answer my question about what your religion says about
Jews bulldozing Palestinian homes and stealing their land?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 10:01 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
This from the website you referred us to (torentz.eu): "Using
BitTorrent is legal, *downloading copyrighted material isn’t*. Be
careful of what you download or face the consequences."[emphasis added]
*Of course* downloading copyrighted books like "The Martian" via
BitTorrent and not paying for them is theft! Why do you think they call it
piracy? You can rationalize all you want, but at least be accurate when
you rationalize.
As for not being able to get refunds for books you don't like, that
might be true in Costa Rica, but not here. Amazon, Barnes and Noble and
our local independent bookstore, Books and Books, all accept returns,
provided that the books are in new condition and resellable. (You don't
tear out pages as you read them, do you?). By the way, Amazon.com
<http://amazon.com> allows you to sample many books (including "The
Martian") before you buy them. Didn't you know that?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Richard,
When we used to pull into Chinese ports and the vendors came aboard with
pirate DVD's every member of the crew lined up to buy them and I never once
heard anybody ask a question like that.
The problem with your question is that downloading a book or song is not
theft. It's not even a crime under the law. You are confusing theft with
intellectual property rights. I learned all about the legal aspects of
intellectual property rights when I used to write and publish software.
I buy new books when they come out if I know the author. But I sometimes
read a dozen books a week which I start but never finish. Do you know of
any booksellers that give refunds if you don't like the book?
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Freedland
Sent: Sep 26, 2015 6:53 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
RR,
Does your religion say anything about stealing books, movies, etc.?
73,
Richard Freedland
Miami
Sent from my iPad.
On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You can download mp3 torrent for free here:
https://torrentz.eu/079a2887bb3ac78680d1c3766773f6cbf4169d05
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly
Sent: Sep 25, 2015 9:55 AM
To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Fw: The Martian
Good point! I'll seriously consider it for this book.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kelly,
An audio book is an alternative to reading.
-RR
-----Forwarded Message-----
Subject: The Martian
Good recommendation Ron
Downloaded full audio book yesterday for my drive to Guancaste.
