[sparkscoffee] Re: By request
- From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:51:05 -0500 (EST)
RR
You are the only one I know of thinking you are the smartest
person on earth that is predicting that communist china is
going to collapse, especially for the cuckoo reasons you
give? Do you have a degree in finance? I said that china is a
communist wolf in partly captalist clothes and in due course
a wolf in all communist clothes. Have you changed your mind
on H.R. 5542?
Comrade B
In a message dated 3/2/2013 9:03:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Stan,
Up until 5 years ago only 40% of China's revenues came from state owned
enterprises. Today that number has risen to 50% following the economic
collapse of 2008 and subsequent government stimulus programs. All of China's
SOE's are controlled by a small group of politically connected people and the
reason why they are "successful" is because they pay no taxes. Privately
owned companies support the government. The Chinese government owns more
businesses than it did 5 years ago but is taking in less money. Eventually it
will take in no money and will collapse. In the meantime the small group of
politically connected individuals who run the SOE's are becoming wealthy
because they can't lose as long as there are enough privately owned
enterprises to support the government and cover their losses.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
Sent: Mar 2, 2013 2:29 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: By request
RR & JS & sometimes DR
What gets me about you three is the 'know it all attitude' and
paying little or no attention to what I and others post plus lack
of solutions for the problems listed below. Your lecturing
styles would have everyone abandon their ideas and accept yours.
Note how RR continues to cling to his view on H.R. 5542 upon
which I was screaming bloody murder for giving tax credit for
outsourcing which in great part is causing our killer national debt
that continues growing today.
In a nut shell State Owned (not privately owned) means everyone owns
a share and so it would be stupid to shut down a factory here and move
it off shore causing the basic problems we currently have. Meanwhile
China is an example of much state owned success, a communist wolf
dressed partly in captalist clothes so as to buy rope to hang us.
Comrade B
In a message dated 3/1/2013 3:11:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
JS,
Socialism works in the beginning or at least appears to, but ends up
running on more and more borrowed money to keep up the facade until it
collapses.
As ARA members we made very good wages because we belonged to a labor
union. But the only reason we were able to do so was because the government
was
subsidizing our wages. The government did so, and continues to do so,
using borrowed money. If the money is not borrowed then it has to be taken out
of taxes which is even worse for the economy because taxes rob every other
worker for the benefit of a few. Most union jobs have now vanished and the
few that remain are government jobs. If America was an individual it would
have been declared bankrupt years ago because it is so far in debt that it
cannot possibly ever be paid back. Soon the U.S. will no longer even be
able to pay the interest on the debt and it will be far worse than the
economic depression of the 1930's because this time the U.S. Dollar will be
worthless and the vast majority of U.S. wealth, which is paper wealth, will
just
disappear.
My advice is buy food, water, gold, silver, arms and ammo. By any measure
the collapse that is coming will be the greatest the world has ever seen.
Communism, Fascism, and crony Capitalism are all relics that no longer work.
Real change only happens after a complete disaster. The Soviet Union was
borne in a violent revolution and died in an economic collapse. The U.S.
will collapse the same way. I can't see China taking over because despite what
deluded Stan thinks, China is a crony capitalist system. Some new form of
government will need to arise.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
>From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Mar 1, 2013 6:27 AM
>To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: By request
>
>Stanley,
>
>I read your article and understand the venting. But nowhere is there
any explanation of how socialism would be a better alternative.
>
>One glaring misstatement is your denial that China's economic ascendancy
is NOT due to employing the capitalist model. You only have to look at the
catastrophic failure of the Soviet Union. They certainly had as many
intellectual and material resources as China. Yet it was precisely their
failure to employ the economic tools of capitalism that led to their
bankruptcy -
unlike China.
>
>At the end of the day, capitalism and communism are simply tools. And
history has repeatedly shown the superiority of the capitalist model.
>It is simply more in tune with human nature.
>
>By contrast, Communism/Socialism is predicated on a moral corruption that
inevitably leads to tyranny. As Jefferson observed, "Our government can
only survive if moral men are in power". What China has created is
capitalist wealth restricted to a relative handful of morally corrupt tyrants.
This is what you are so proud of?
>
>JS
>
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