hi how can i calculate the Ri, Li, Gi, Ci parameters for a frequency dependent unit-cell Debye RLGC model for a power/gnd plane pair? 1st order or up to 3rd order Debye model would be good. are there any equations? (Debye models introduce additional RL and GC elements into the 4 element original RLGC model to reflect the frequency-dependency, and with staying with basic circuit elements, suitable for spice) i would like to make frequency dependednt spice 3f5 models (not w-element model, since its not compatible with most of the spices) from arbitrary power planes, with lumped-element grid. I found application notes where in the examples they just shown the calculated values, without describing the calculation. regards, Istvan Nagy ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu