Axel, how much do you need to increase the Q by? Steve axel stein wrote: > Hi Steve, > many thanks for your suggestions. > > For the first iteration of this project, we are fixed with the design / we > can not move any lines. So the only parameters that I can change right now > are: > -line width, but keeping line-to-line (center-to-center) pitch constant, so > spacing will move accordingly > -copper thickness > -material options, like your suggestion on adding a nickel ferrite or opening > the soldermask > > By the way, the ratio of line width to copper thickness is close to 2:1. > > > So considering the center-to-center spacing fixed and the relatively narrow > trace (in comparison to the height), what options do I have? > > > Thanks again for your valuable comments, > axel > > > > > ________________________________ > From: steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: axel stein <stein_axel@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:07:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] inductance, Q-factor of antenna for RFID tag > > axel, for a linear section of etch at frequencies commonly used by RFID tags, > R and L track. R is skin limited, copper weight is not a factor until you > get below 1/2oz. You should be able to increase Q by: > > Decrease R at operating frequency: Increasing line width while maintaining > line to line spacing in the coil. > > Increase L: Decreasing line to line spacing while holding line width in the > coil. > > Increase L: Redesign the coil for use with a material that has good Q at > RFID frequencies on the backside of the circuit card, such as a high nickel > ferrite. > > Depending on how many turns you already have, increasing the number will only > have a limited effect on Q. > > You might get some gain by changing your surface finish and/or voiding solder > mask in the antenna area. > > While a 3D tool will give an exact answer, a 2 or 2.5D tool can get you > pretty close. > > Most of the RFID tag mfg's offer antenna design guidelines. > > Steve. > > axel stein wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I am looking into increasing inductance and the Q factor of the antenna for >> an RFID tag. The antenna is etched on a printed circuit board. The antenna >> is a planar coil, the conductor is basically rectangular shape (some slight >> taper at the edges) and the traces are wounded in a rectangular shape with >> rounded edges. >> For sure, increasing the number of windings will increase L. But how will L >> and Q react, if I widen the lines (line-to-line pitch constant = reducing >> spacing, keeping all other parameters constant, ) or if I increase the >> copper thickness (perpendicular to the PCB surface). >> >> Unfortunately, I do not have a 3D solver that can help me answering these >> questions. 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