Hi Steve, many thanks for your suggestions. For the first iteration of this project, we are fixed with the design / we can not move any lines. So the only parameters that I can change right now are: -line width, but keeping line-to-line (center-to-center) pitch constant, so spacing will move accordingly -copper thickness -material options, like your suggestion on adding a nickel ferrite or opening the soldermask By the way, the ratio of line width to copper thickness is close to 2:1. So considering the center-to-center spacing fixed and the relatively narrow trace (in comparison to the height), what options do I have? Thanks again for your valuable comments, axel ________________________________ From: steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> To: axel stein <stein_axel@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:07:36 PM Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] inductance, Q-factor of antenna for RFID tag axel, for a linear section of etch at frequencies commonly used by RFID tags, R and L track. R is skin limited, copper weight is not a factor until you get below 1/2oz. You should be able to increase Q by: Decrease R at operating frequency: Increasing line width while maintaining line to line spacing in the coil. Increase L: Decreasing line to line spacing while holding line width in the coil. Increase L: Redesign the coil for use with a material that has good Q at RFID frequencies on the backside of the circuit card, such as a high nickel ferrite. Depending on how many turns you already have, increasing the number will only have a limited effect on Q. You might get some gain by changing your surface finish and/or voiding solder mask in the antenna area. While a 3D tool will give an exact answer, a 2 or 2.5D tool can get you pretty close. Most of the RFID tag mfg's offer antenna design guidelines. Steve. axel stein wrote: > Hi all, > I am looking into increasing inductance and the Q factor of the antenna for > an RFID tag. The antenna is etched on a printed circuit board. The antenna is > a planar coil, the conductor is basically rectangular shape (some slight > taper at the edges) and the traces are wounded in a rectangular shape with > rounded edges. > For sure, increasing the number of windings will increase L. But how will L > and Q react, if I widen the lines (line-to-line pitch constant = reducing > spacing, keeping all other parameters constant, ) or if I increase the copper > thickness (perpendicular to the PCB surface). > > Unfortunately, I do not have a 3D solver that can help me answering these > questions. Anyone out there, that can give me some feedback? > > Thanks for your help, > axel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > -- Steve Weir Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 California office (866) 675-4630 Business (707) 780-1951 Fax Main office (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax Oregon office (503) 430-1065 Business (503) 430-1285 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com This e-mail contains proprietary and confidential intellectual property of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Teraspeed(R) is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu