Hi, I am afraid this would be an off topic, but I have a question regarding to HSPICE for board-level simulation. I heard that HSPICE can do board-level simulation with EDAnavigator, however I have not yet tried this. After Avanti was merged with Synopsys, I can't find EDAnavigator from their product list. Does anyone have information ? Regards, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:18:18 -0700 "Ravinder Ajmani" <ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi Silvano, > HyperLynx 6.1 has this new feature. After selecting a net on BoardSim, if > you click on File menu, one of the options is to export the selected net to > LineSim. The net will be exported as a LineSim file with all stack, net, > and driver/receiver parameters. Vias are exported as capacitors. In the > LineSim file, you can try various what/if scenarios. I have found this > features very useful. > > Regards, Ravinder > PCB Development and Design Department > IBM Corporation > Email: ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx > *************************************************************************** > Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. > .... Mark Twain > > > > > > "Silvano > > Bettinzana" To: Ravinder Ajmani/San > Jose/IBM@IBMUS > <bettinzana@diadi cc: > <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, > x.it> > <si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent by: Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: HSpice > or HyperLynx > si-list-bounce@fr > > eelists.org > > > > > > 08/10/2002 01:52 > > AM > > Please respond to > > bettinzana > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ravinder, you said: > > "I can also export nets from the layout (BoardSim) to LineSim, and then > carry out different what-if scenarios" > > How do you do this ? > > Many thanks, > > Silvano > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ravinder Ajmani" <ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <alexh1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:39 PM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: HSpice or HyperLynx > > > > > > > > Alex, > > I have been using HyperLynx for nearly 6 years and I love its ease of use > > and flexibility. Over the years, they have constantly added new > features, > > such as Crosstalk module, multi-board simulation, etc. For me its > ability > > to simulate fully or partially routed board is very helpful. I can also > do > > coupled line simulation, since the Crosstalk module includes a field > > solver. I can ask my layout engineer to first route the critical nets, > and > > as he is working with the rest of the routing, I can run quick > simulations > > to determine any changes necessary. LineSim module is very helpful in > > stack and transmission line analysis before the beginning of a new > design. > > I can also export nets from the layout (BoardSim) to LineSim, and then > > carry out different what-if scenarios. Its accuracy is comparable to > other > > more expensive tools such as XTK and SigNoise. > > > > I have read many nice things about HSPICE, but I find it hard to spend > the > > time needed to learn this tool. It is certainly more accurate than IBIS > > based tools, and you have the ability to perform detailed simulations. > But > > it is much slower than IBIS based tools, and it can be nightmare to > > simulate a large number of nets on a routed board. I started with > > HyperLynx by obtaining their demo diskettes, and was able to run > > simulations in less than an hour. Same about the Crosstalk module. > > > > By the way, I am not getting paid by Mentor/Innoveda/HyperLynx to write > > this. The person who sold me this tool has since left the company. > Also, > > these are my personal opinions only. > > > > Regards, Ravinder > > PCB Development and Design Department > > IBM Corporation > > Email: ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx > > > *************************************************************************** > > Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. > > .... Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > "Alex Horvath" > > <alexh1@sbcglobal To: > <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > .net> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: [SI-LIST] HSpice > or HyperLynx > > si-list-bounce@fr > > eelists.org > > > > > > 08/08/2002 08:38 > > PM > > Please respond to > > alexh1 > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had to pick either HSpice or HyperLynx for board level > interconnect > > simulation which would you pick? > > > > > > For myself, I like the flexibility of HSpice (can use Spice and/or IBIS). > > If you have a model, you can simulate anything you can think of. Con is > > that it's somewhat hard to use. > > > > On the other hand, with HyperLynx you can very quickly simulate a > > transmission line with an IBIS driver but you have to use what they give > > you. Also has the ability to import a PCB layout file and simulate based > on > > routed trace geometry. I find the latter capability of dubious value, if > I > > find a problem after layout is complete it's probably too late. Also > seems > > to be about twice the cost of Avant Hspice (now Synopsys) for the full > > suite. > > > > I welcome any comments especially from people who are familiar with both > > tools. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > //// /// // / / / / / / / / / / Tadashi Arai//Platform Developing Dept.,Desktop Prd Div. 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