John, What do all these MCM papers promoting mesh power distribution to do with PCB power distribution design ? There are many reasons why MCM or ultra fine pitch substrates use meshed power/gnd planes. They vary from degassing requirements on organic substrate to via and interconnect constrain like IBM TCM. However, they are fundamentally different to regular PCBs. I have design many MCM and fine pitch packages and I have never seen a mesh design out perform electrically over a conventional solid reference planes PCB. The practice came out from process requirement more than performance enhancement. I don't see why it should be promoted in places where it is not necessary. -----Original Message----- From: John Barnes [mailto:jrbarnes@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:29 AM To: psalmon2000@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: GND Separation for Analog & Digital circuits Peter, You may want to read up on the "Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS)". I'm still updating my bibliography on Power Distribution on Printed Circuit Boards ( http://www.dbicorporation.com/pwr-bib.htm ), but recently ran across the following pertinent papers: * Glover, Michael D., and Schaper, Leonard W., "A Functional Module Comparison of the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) with a Standard Four-layer MCM Topology," <CITE>Proceedings 1996 IEEE Multi-Chip Module Conference</CITE>, Santa Cruz, Feb. 6-7, 1996, pp. 143-146. * Low, Yee L., Schaper, Len W., and Ang, Simon S., "A Low-Cost MCM Design Topology-the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS)," <CITE> Proceedings 1995 Multi-Chip Module Conference</CITE>, Jan. 31-Feb. 2, 1995, pp. 200-205. * Low, Yee L., Schaper, Leonard W., and Ang, Simon S., "Modeling and Experimental Verification of the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topology," <CITE>IEEE Transactions on Components, Packaging, and Manufacturing Technology - Part B</CITE>, vol. 20, no. 1, pp. 42-49, Feb. 1997. * Low, Yee L., and Frye, Robert C., "Signal Integrity and Power Distribution Systems Analyses for a 4x4 ATM Switch MCM," <CITE>Proceedings of the 1997 International Conference on Multichip Modules</CITE>, Denver, CO, Apr. 2-4, 1997, pp. 278-283. * Low, Y. L., Schaper, L. W., Ang, S., and Oldham, D., "The Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topology," <CITE>Proceedings of IEEE 3rd Topical Meeting on Electrical Performance of Electronic Packaging </CITE>, Monterey, CA, Nov. 2-4, 1994, pp. 231-234. * Parkerson, James Patrick, and Schaper, Leonard W., "Advanced Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topologies," <CITE>Proceedings 1996 IEEE Multi-Chip Module Conference</CITE>, Santa Cruz, CA, Feb. 6-7, 1996, pp. 123-126. * Schaper, L. W., Ang, S., and Low, Y. L., "Design of the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topology," <CITE>Proceedings of the 1994 International Conference on Multichip Modules</CITE>, Denver, CO, April 13-15, 1994, pp. 543-548. * Schaper, L. W., Ang, S., Low, Yee L., and Oldham, Danny R., "Electrical Characterization of the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topology," <CITE>IEEE Transactions on Components, Hybrids, and Manufacturing Tech - Part B</CITE>, vol. 18, no. 1, pp. 99-105, Feb. 1995. * Schaper, L. W., Ang, S., Low, Y. L., and Oldham, D., "Electrical Characterization of the Interconnected Mesh Power System (IMPS) MCM Topology," <CITE>1994 Proceedings 44th Electronic Components & Technology Conference</CITE>, Washington, D.C., May 1-4, 1994, pp. 791-795. Gridding power and ground is a standard layout technique for double-sided printed circuit boards. I discuss it in chapter 31, "Designing Printed Circuit Boards", (specifically on pages 31-67 through 31-69) of my upcoming Robust Electronic Design Reference Book, Volumes 1 and 2. Kluwer Academic Publishers expects to have my book in print in late March ( http://www.wkap.nl/prod/b/1-4020-7739-4, http://www.wkap.nl/prod/b/1-4020-7739-4?a=2, http://www.dbicorporation.com/book-out.htm, http://www.dbicorporation.com/errata.htm ). John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, ESDC Eng, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu