Boy Kathy I agree with you. My first venture back into the world of obedience and how much it has changed(for the better) . Every thing is done with love , fun and treats. Liz is in her second class and has yet to have a training collar on. Just a good Good buckle. She can't wait to get into class and has a ball.30 years ago I would have left after the first night it was such harsh training.there is no way I would want to change her love of life and people Sent from my iPad Sally Hayden On Sep 14, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx wrote: > I think at the highest level of all animal sports, some animals suffer. > Look at Tennessee Walking Horses, hunters/jumpers (tack rails anyone?????) > etc. In dogs I have watched some OB and field folks train who were just > NUTS. I wanted to put the e-collars on them. I don't own an e-collar. > Somehow I got straight go-outs without them. If I didn't...well, I might > have a > crooked go-out but I still wouldn't have an e-collar. > > Whenever ego and animal sports collide, the animal comes out the loser. > Sad. > > I have been on a Schutzhund field, I have gone to their training and not > just 1-2x but a club rented a building for training after our ob class. I > met some very GOOD dog people. I also met more than a fair share of > crazies, who ONLY focus on bite work, part of the my-dog-hits-hard crowd and > I-do-whatever-is-necessary to make it. (And I do mean whatever). I have seen > more than a few dogs ruined and discarded. Sad. > > So while I admire the people who train for all phases, with common sense > and compassion, because IMO the sport attracts more than its fair share of > nut jobs I understand exactly what Norma is saying...boy I am so not > interested. I also won't sell a puppy to someone who wants to play in that > arena. > Not because I think a dog couldn't do it...I question their motives and > I've met one too many nut job "trainers" from that sport. > > And before someone wants to question if my dogs can work, I'll wager I've > put more performance titles on dogs than the doubters. I'll win the bet. > > Had a young guy out today. He had a crowd of children around him between > winners and breed that would rival a pied piper. You couldn't come into his > house uninvited though. And don't touch my nephew. Not sure he'd "out". > That's more my speed. > > > > > > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions > visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ > > > In a message dated 9/14/2013 4:52:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx writes: > > I think its getting like ancient Rome where everyone was turning thumbs > down in the arena.They cheer when someone gets killed. > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original > author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any > kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the > Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and > its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed > in any post. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE > PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org > SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html > NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================