I think at the highest level of all animal sports, some animals suffer. Look at Tennessee Walking Horses, hunters/jumpers (tack rails anyone?????) etc. In dogs I have watched some OB and field folks train who were just NUTS. I wanted to put the e-collars on them. I don't own an e-collar. Somehow I got straight go-outs without them. If I didn't...well, I might have a crooked go-out but I still wouldn't have an e-collar. Whenever ego and animal sports collide, the animal comes out the loser. Sad. I have been on a Schutzhund field, I have gone to their training and not just 1-2x but a club rented a building for training after our ob class. I met some very GOOD dog people. I also met more than a fair share of crazies, who ONLY focus on bite work, part of the my-dog-hits-hard crowd and I-do-whatever-is-necessary to make it. (And I do mean whatever). I have seen more than a few dogs ruined and discarded. Sad. So while I admire the people who train for all phases, with common sense and compassion, because IMO the sport attracts more than its fair share of nut jobs I understand exactly what Norma is saying...boy I am so not interested. I also won't sell a puppy to someone who wants to play in that arena. Not because I think a dog couldn't do it...I question their motives and I've met one too many nut job "trainers" from that sport. And before someone wants to question if my dogs can work, I'll wager I've put more performance titles on dogs than the doubters. I'll win the bet. Had a young guy out today. He had a crowd of children around him between winners and breed that would rival a pied piper. You couldn't come into his house uninvited though. And don't touch my nephew. Not sure he'd "out". That's more my speed. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 9/14/2013 4:52:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx writes: I think its getting like ancient Rome where everyone was turning thumbs down in the arena.They cheer when someone gets killed. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================