In a message dated 3/22/2005 8:39:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: Look at what is in the All Breed rings. The dogs range from the great to the pets. Often the winners come from both groups, depending on how good the judge is. Then look at the Specialty shows and you see nothing but quality German shepherds. --------------------------- Hate to disagree with someone as knowledgable as you but that's pure garbage, Evan. "Nothing but quality"? Not some of the specialty dogs I've seen winning with spooky temperaments, locked hocks, dead tails, dragging toes, and lofting fronts. Then again, there are some specialty judges who still somehow believe that lofting in front and kicking up behind equals "suspension", and a spooky temperament is just being "aloof". Liz in Utah Visit my website at http://hometown.aol.com/rckyiizard/index.html ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================