Evan it can be done. How about US Sel 2 Cathlin's Azeri of Hallmark, German sired. or her full sister on whom we had the pleasure of putting a 5, 4 and 3 pt majors . Azeri's and Nitro's dtr, Flusstanz Sensation of Victory, BOW recently, specialty, and just getting started...you would never know her mother is 1/2 German. Her litter sister RBIM Flusstanz Samara of Victory...and a 5 pt major specialty win... It can be done, and as closely bred as some of the American dog s are, you can get the good without the other stuff, much faster than you think. We can breed to their dogs for all the right reasons....they cannot breed to ours, no matter how much they wish or need to. Kathy http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com PUP-DATED: OCT 5, 2009 Home of: CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle "En Victoria , Veritas" On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:17 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > In a message dated 11/8/09 9:13:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: > then there was puppy...HOLY S*** we would have > taken him home immediately.... > > > I keep wondering if you breed to these German dogs, do you get phenotype > or genotype. I know there are a number of good looking German bred dogs, > but > every time someone breeds to them, they get the background. > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================